KudzuRunner wrote:
The Floyd wrote:
KR, I recognize you as a long-time, good-natured participant on these forums, but your long story and joke, though appreciated, had zero to do with this discussion.
I disagree. First of all, it was about bodies: a woman's body, more specifically. Isn't that what we're talking about? Whether talk about bodies, especially women's bodies, should be off-limits?
But more seriously: that joke was speaking, albeit somewhat obliquely, to one element of the discussion, which is that this forum is suspended between two different imperatives. On the one hand, it's an all-comers locker room in which forthright, sometimes raw, sometimes rude, defiantly non-PC talk is the lingua franca. It's the sort of place, I presume, where the sort of joke that I told--and I don't believe I've ever shared a joke here in 14 years--should be allowed, as such jokes are not only allowed in private all-male contexts, but are a positive and healthy force in those contexts. They release tension and create fraternal bonds. In that respect, this place a locker room reinvented as a public forum where people quickly figure out the rules.
On the other hand, it's...well, a public space. And there are rules for what is allowed in public discourse. You can't write the word "mother*****r" here, and for good reason. We all get that much. But there are other nodes where the public-ness of this online forum also runs into potential trouble. Libel, for example. And so the Brojos are asking. They're trying to figure out where the middle ground is--the largest, most reasonable free-speech space--between Anything Goes and Don't You Dare.
I used the joke as an illustration of how men, off by themselves, create free spaces of the locker-room variety. I daresay that any masculinity worth living needs and depends on such spaces.
You and I agree that we should leave HS'ers out of it. Except, now that I think about it, there remains the problem of Andraya Yearwood and her trans brethren. The issue of whether trans athletes should be allowed to compete in the girls/women's division in HS meets is a cutting-edge issue, and although I don't like the way some here discuss the issue, I do think it needs to be discussed, problematic as such discussions are. They're newsworthy. Surely we can discuss the news here.[/quote]
Unfortunately, you're requiring standards of social media that many of its participants lack or don't adhere to. It's like starting a conversation with a stranger on a bus - you don't know what is going to come out of it - with none of the usual constraints of face to face communication. We're a long way from the politeness of a book club; more like a charge at the enemy trenches conducted from behind a computer screen.