Mary Cain running a 3000 tonight at the armory in NYC (1/9)

Ezrun wrote:

Anyone think Mary Cain should have focused on the 800 and the 1K back when she first turned Pro

Why was she running all distances from the 800m up through the 3K

Anyone think that maybe trying to do too much is why she got injured and she should have just specialized in the 800 and maybe occasionally run a 1500

I think her most impressive times or her 159 800 and her 235 1K. I don't know just curious what people think

She was good at XC, set a HS record in the 5000 and ran the fastest 2-mile indoors and out so she absolutely should have been running the 1500. And who specializes in the 1000?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

[quote]Ezrun wrote:

Anyone think Mary Cain should have focused on the 800 and the 1K back when she first turned Pro

Why was she running all distances from the 800m up through the 3K

Anyone think that maybe trying to do too much is why she got injured and she should have just specialized in the 800 and maybe occasionally run a 1500

I think her most impressive times or her 159 800 and her 235 1K. I don't know just curious what people think[/quote

She was good at XC, set a HS record in the 5000 and ran the fastest 2-mile indoors and out so she absolutely should have been running the 1500. And who specializes in the 1000?

She was a WC finalist at 1500m and a world jr . (tactical race) at 3000m. Hard to think she was running the wrong races. That is the type of runner that should be running 3000m/4mi races in the off season. I expect she is mainly doing distance and quality aerobic work right now. I do hope that in the spring she does try some shorter stuff even if the results are disappointing (i.e. 2:08 800s and 4:20 1500m) compared to her past results.

800m is her best distance, so she ought to target that when she is in shape.
I actually disagree with the equivalence of 9:25 with 16:33. I think it is much closer to 16:15.
I ran 9:20 when I was probably close to 16 flat shape. Pacing wasn't great but still, this isn't bad for her now.

Anyone else not need a weekly update on Mary Cain or where and when she is racing? Let her be! Quit stalking.

zcvxzcxv wrote:

800m is her best distance, so she ought to target that when she is in shape.I actually disagree with the equivalence of 9:25 with 16:33. I think it is much closer to 16:15.I ran 9:20 when I was probably close to 16 flat shape. Pacing wasn't great but still, this isn't bad for her now.

I don't understand why people keep claiming the 800 is her best distance. Does she have 51 second 400 speed? 800 specialists do not set HS records for the 2-mile and 5000.

Yeah she pretty much killed Salazar's reputation for the rest of his life with her complaints. But did anyone ever ask the question - was Salazar being a sexist fat-shaming pig or was he trying to help her compete at the highest level in the world?

All evidence points towards him trying to help her, but in this skinny-shaming #metoo environment Salazar received more criticism than Epstein.

zcvxzcxv wrote:
800m is her best distance, so she ought to target that when she is in shape.I actually disagree with the equivalence of 9:25 with 16:33. I think it is much closer to 16:15.I ran 9:20 when I was probably close to 16 flat shape. Pacing wasn't great but still, this isn't bad for her now.

800m was her best mark almost 6 years ago, it was not the distance of her most successful performances (1500m WC final, 3000m world junior champion). But this has been a long time anyway.
If she has trained/become more like a 5000m runner, she should certainly run sub 16 in summer, more like 15:30-40. If she will turn to 1500m in summer, it's hard to predict. It would be surprising if she could already be competitive with the top 10 US women but ~ 4:16 15:40 is quite good and with another successful year she might be back in contention in 2021 or 22.

great point wrote:

Yeah she pretty much killed Salazar's reputation for the rest of his life with her complaints. But did anyone ever ask the question - was Salazar being a sexist fat-shaming pig or was he trying to help her compete at the highest level in the world?All evidence points towards him trying to help her, but in this skinny-shaming #metoo environment Salazar received more criticism than Epstein.

Claiming that all evidence exonerates Salazar is bullsh*t. You didn't run for NOP at the time, so how do you know what happened? I believe Nike is doing an investigation and we'll see what they come up with.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

zcvxzcxv wrote:800m is her best distance, so she ought to target that when she is in shape.I actually disagree with the equivalence of 9:25 with 16:33. I think it is much closer to 16:15.I ran 9:20 when I was probably close to 16 flat shape. Pacing wasn't great but still, this isn't bad for her now.

I don't understand why people keep claiming the 800 is her best distance. Does she have 51 second 400 speed? 800 specialists do not set HS records for the 2-mile and 5000.

second this. just by watching her crazy arm swing and her overstride shuffle you can tell she has no championship kick and no explosiveness at all

Pretty hilarious that Mary Cain's porky physique should be off limits but calling Sifan Hassan a doper and a cheater with absolutely no proof is business as usual at letsrun.com. Shade has been thrown at Mark Whetmore, Jenny Simpson, and Emma Coburn without a shred of proof over and over on this site. I guess calling someone a cheat and a liar without evidence is ok but commenting on the weight of someone is somehow more hurtful?

I personally think Mary Cain should be left alone as she is not currently capable of running competitive times at any distance and probably won't get there any time soon.

Women being only valued for their looks, has a long and hurtful history. We can learn to do better. You insult MC in a nasty way. What would your mother think?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

great point wrote:

Yeah she pretty much killed Salazar's reputation for the rest of his life with her complaints. But did anyone ever ask the question - was Salazar being a sexist fat-shaming pig or was he trying to help her compete at the highest level in the world?All evidence points towards him trying to help her, but in this skinny-shaming #metoo environment Salazar received more criticism than Epstein.

Claiming that all evidence exonerates Salazar is bullsh*t. You didn't run for NOP at the time, so how do you know what happened? I believe Nike is doing an investigation and we'll see what they come up with.

He didn't say Salazar is exonerated. He said Salazar was trying to help Mary Cain run faster. That is certainly true regarding her weight and body composition, which is the context of this discussion. The evidence? He wanted Hasay to gain weight.

If a coach says a runner has to lose weight when she's OBVIOUSLY NOT at an ideal body weight, it's 100% appropriate.