Why are so many tinman guys injured?

good questions. everything you read on his stuff seems only moderately hard. These kids must be doing things at a different intensity and/or frequency than what is advertised.

Brogan Austin was injured and missed Chicago as well.

Tinman's training will not get you overtrained/injured "aerobically". You will not burn out from it.

What it can't prevent is mechanical injuries due to bad running form or lack of core strength/stability and overloading the bones/tendons. These athletes are pushing the limits and doing more under Tinman than what he would prescribe a HS athlete, but not much more (mileage still very moderate, workouts and long runs very manageable).

Fisher and Hunter both got injured while Tinman was coaching from abroad. Both had significant flaws and errors with their running form, which probably was a major contributor to the injuries. Hunter himself did 10-15 miles extra on top of what Tinman prescribed him, which he pointed out as another reason for his injury (he really wanted to do well at qualifiers/worl'd and thought he could just train harder). Also, I don't think Tinman places enough emphasis on core strength/maximal power strength/stablity/dynamic stretching, it got better in the last months but still not on the level of some other running groups. Also, these athletes are likely to be injury prone (some of us just are like that).

So keep doing Tinman training, just make sure you have experts reviewing your form and also do all the other little things that are necessary to remain injury-free.

I think it is just because they're trying to compete at the highest level and run their fastest times/best races. No different than any other group or team. Might as well ask why Hasay, Rupp, Cragg, Ritz, etc. are injured.

Joey Berriatua is also dealing with a major injury. Jordan Gusman has an injury that caused him to miss worlds as well. Both Parsons and Gusman look to have pretty good form. I wonder if it has to do with their strength and conditioning routine. I don’t remember Hunter or Gusman or Parsons having injury problems previously. Their strength coach is always putting up videos of fancy stuff that seems complex and unnecessary. Strength training is important for distance runners but it’s easy to overdo it or do something that is actually detrimental.

Just not enough recovery. Too much high-impact activities like running will irritate & inflame the lower extremities where ligaments, tendons & muscles can be at a high risk of injury (nothing new there). Non-weightbearing cardio is a great form of cross training where you can maintain fitness while letting the musculoskeletal system recover & heal up. 👍

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Whyyyy wrote:

Jeff Thies is injured, Drew Hunter is injured, Reed Fisher couldn’t run Chicago because of injury and Par Samsons is just coming back.

Isn’t the motto ‘keep the ball rolling’ and to not go to hard. Why are so many of them seriously injured? I am genuinely a big fan of Tinman but am confused as to why so many of these runners are injured

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Moderate hard workouts tricks you into thinking you don’t have to go easy on your easy days.

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Hayduke wrote:

Moderate hard workouts tricks you into thinking you don’t have to go easy on your easy days.

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You can't group all Kenyans into running easy days a certain way. It varies group by group, individual by individual, and day by day. Jogging 4-5 days a week every week of the year does not make one a champion.

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Jrididi wrote:

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Hayduke wrote:

Moderate hard workouts tricks you into thinking you don’t have to go easy on your easy days.

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But they still take their easy days very easy. 7-8 minute pace. Sometimes slower. But they’re at altitude on rolling, hilly dirt roads. Maybe even that’s too fast. Kenyans much faster than Tinman Elite run their easy days a bit slower.

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Jrididi wrote:

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Hayduke wrote:

Moderate hard workouts tricks you into thinking you don’t have to go easy on your easy days.

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But they still take their easy days very easy. 7-8 minute pace. Sometimes slower. But they’re at altitude on rolling, hilly dirt roads. Maybe even that’s too fast. Kenyans much faster than Tinman Elite run their easy days a bit slower.

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Whyyyy wrote:

Jeff Thies is injured, Drew Hunter is injured, Reed Fisher couldn’t run Chicago because of injury and Par Samsons is just coming back.

Isn’t the motto ‘keep the ball rolling’ and to not go to hard. Why are so many of them seriously injured? I am genuinely a big fan of Tinman but am confused as to why so many of these runners are injured

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It's because most of these dudes run in Adidas. Those shoes are straight garbage

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LateRunnerPhil wrote:

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Jrididi wrote:

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Hayduke wrote:

Moderate hard workouts tricks you into thinking you don’t have to go easy on your easy days.

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But they still take their easy days very easy. 7-8 minute pace. Sometimes slower. But they’re at altitude on rolling, hilly dirt roads. Maybe even that’s too fast. Kenyans much faster than Tinman Elite run their easy days a bit slower.

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1) The Tinman all run ridiculously slow on their easy days for their performance level (keep in mind they are all running in the 28s for a 10k). 7:15-7:30 average on altitude, that's still very slow. So they definitely do not run too fast on their easy days, that's one of the key principles of Tinman's training (Hunter ran 7:00-7:30 on flat surface in HS btw all the way through senior).

2) It's a common misconception that running too hard on easy days is what leads to injuries. Yes, many HS kids run way too fast on easy days, same with recreational runners and even college runners. But can you tell for sure this was the reason if someone got seriously injured? From logging 7 min miles instead of 7:30? Truth is, more often than not it's hard workouts, hard surfaces, or going above and beyond in training compared to what has previously done that cause the body to break down and cause serious injury. Also running form is often responsible.

I'd be cautious with automatically assigning "too hard easy runs" for the cause of injuries, even if the easy runs were a tad too fast. More often than not, there are other forces behind injuries.

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Because they are coached by Tinman,lol!

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LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Tinman's training will not get you overtrained/injured "aerobically". You will not burn out from it.

What it can't prevent is mechanical injuries due to bad running form or lack of core strength/stability and overloading the bones/tendons. These athletes are pushing the limits and doing more under Tinman than what he would prescribe a HS athlete, but not much more (mileage still very moderate, workouts and long runs very manageable).

Fisher and Hunter both got injured while Tinman was coaching from abroad. Both had significant flaws and errors with their running form, which probably was a major contributor to the injuries. Hunter himself did 10-15 miles extra on top of what Tinman prescribed him, which he pointed out as another reason for his injury (he really wanted to do well at qualifiers/worl'd and thought he could just train harder). Also, I don't think Tinman places enough emphasis on core strength/maximal power strength/stablity/dynamic stretching, it got better in the last months but still not on the level of some other running groups. Also, these athletes are likely to be injury prone (some of us just are like that).

So keep doing Tinman training, just make sure you have experts reviewing your form and also do all the other little things that are necessary to remain injury-free.

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Tin is a pretty weak material

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Marshmallow Man wrote:

It's because most of these dudes run in Adidas. Those shoes are straight garbage

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Jrididi wrote:

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Hayduke wrote:

Moderate hard workouts tricks you into thinking you don’t have to go easy on your easy days.

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But they still take their easy days very easy. 7-8 minute pace. Sometimes slower. But they’re at altitude on rolling, hilly dirt roads. Maybe even that’s too fast. Kenyans much faster than Tinman Elite run their easy days a bit slower.

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