Decided to be plant based after watching The Game Changers, anyone can share how has this diet helped your performance?

Chris Kresser got absolutely destroyed by one of the producers of The Gamechanger documentary. Chris Kresser should have to take his fake information down and promise to never comment on this subject again, because he is clearly not educated to comment on nutrition or any type of scientific research. The Gamechanger producers should sue him for libel too. I'm mostly plant based for 2 years now and feel great...we eat fish once a week as well as one meal of high quality grass fed beef.

There are diminishing returns on any ‘healthy’ diet. Humans are omnivores. Evolution is a messy process. We were too short lived and our diets were too varied to result in much selective pressure for an ‘optimal’ diet. Eliminating a category of food isn’t going to have much impact on the margins compared to a balanced, varied diet.

You’d be better off just trying to have healthier eating habits (eat little sugar, fried food etc and more vegetables, beans etc) than stressing out about a strict diet. If you’re an established/wealthy athlete with a personal chef and nutritionist , it’s a different story b/c you are buying the convenience of all the food prep/planning.

I was vegan for about 8 years, towards the end of which I got back into running and broke my high school PRs. I’ve been vegetarian for almost half of my life (17 years). I definitely feel better now that I can afford a well stocked kitchen compared to when I was a broke college student. If you’re switching from junk food/standard American diet, you’ll notice some improvements. You might also end up lethargic if you don’t do some meal planning (eg things like coffee, tea and many soy & fake dairy/meat products block iron absorption ... the latter b/c of the calcium added to them)

Vegan for Long Time wrote:

Don’t listen to anyone that calls it ‘Vegan Food’. There are about 7 animals on average that we eat. However there are over 20,000 edible plants. To classify Vegan Food as being in the minority is ignorant.

Another note, all food is Vegan Food, the rest is just a dead animal bodies and their bodily fluids.

Oh and anyone who says We have incisors for tearing meat, please laugh at them directly in the face for a good 10 seconds then and walk away, never speaking to them again.

And that goes for anyone who says we are biological omnivores.

Put fruit and a rabbit in a baby crib and who do you think the baby will play with and what do you think the baby will eat? Something to think about.

The Human digestive system is designed for both plants and animals:

I ran very well as vegetarian and felt way better overall after cutting out meat. I got lazy after I retired from running and went back to eating meat, being a vegetarian is not a magic bullet but for me at least I did feel a lot less bloated and tired when I stopped eating meat.

A) There is a ton a vegan junk food. Watch what you're consuming. Just because it's vegan does not mean it's healthy.

B) Carefully track what you're eating, especially out-of-the-gate. Gotta make sure you're getting enough iron and B12.

C) The Thug Kitchen website will change your life. The recipes on what site are absolutely delicious and generally very healthy. The stuff on that site is amazing even if you're not vegan/vegetarian.

You should read the critique of it on Men's Health...

The propaganda is strong and science is VERY selective and often mis-represented.

Vegan for Long Time wrote:

You just made reductionism sound sensical. Not falling for it. It is a philosophy, not sense.

Hopefully you had bias here and don’t actually agree with what you said.

I love this line, “the world is obese, people are dying...because they eat the wrong foods and it has nothing to do with eating animals.”

Ha! Literally over 17 million people died last year due to saturated fat and cholesterol.

Not cake. Not alcohol.

First, 17 million did not die solely from saturated fat and cholesterol.

-Cholesterol actually repairs your arterial walls). When they get damaged from tobacco, constant high blood sugar, high blood sugar, etc. cholesterol comes and “patches” up the artery walls. (Research this). That cholesterol and plaque then builds up-creating an area in the artery that is now more narrow. Then when a blood clot happens, it can’t get through the narrow section of the artery and that results in a heart attack or stroke depending on if the artery supplies blood to the heart or brain. So, yes, cholesterol is involved BUT a huge factor is high blood sugar, high blood pressure, and tobacco (but we all know smoking is bad). So eating cake, and other sugary foods arguably plays a larger role in heart attacks and general cardiovascular disease. In your sugary cake, if you substitute the butter for margarine (which often uses hydrogenated oil ‘trans fat’ then you’re definitely worse off.)

2nd- Dietary cholesterol really doesn’t haven’t much impact on total cholesterol levels. There’s many studies on this-and studies about people who eat ridiculous amounts of eggs (20 a day) and have great cholesterol levels. (again, research this... by research I mean look at all the studies and analyze which conclusion is most likely—don’t simply find one/two conflicting study and come back saying that I’m wrong...concluding the research is inconclusive is fine too-in fact, we should do more of that instead of being so bold with claims.. I’m including myself in ‘we’). Anyways, Cholesterol is definitely influenced by diet in general, but not solely by the specific amount of cholesterol you consume. Your body synthesis more cholesterol than you eat anyways.

Lastly- This really shouldn't be a debate. We can’t ‘prove’ anything, but c’mon, We all inherently know what the *most probable* best diet is: A largely plant-based diet with minimally processed ‘whole foods’, little added sugars/oils, little-to no alcohol, no tobacco, AND small to moderate amount of animal products that are minimally processed (no processed deli-meats, hot dogs, sausage, *most* bacon, etc). But chicken, beef, fish, etc. eggs contain nutrients plants don’t have (because the animals synthesize the nutrients) and outside of inhumane or drug-pumped growing procedures, there’s not much downside to eating animal products (dairy is more debatable though as many people have allergies). Just don’t ruin your meet by eating it ‘well-done’. Carcinogens (cancer-causing chemicals) are produced from cooking/burning meat at high-heat. So don’t char the heck out of your meat-just cook it enough to kill any pathogens.

It’s pretty simple. If most people were honest, they would say they inherently know a diet like this is best. These arguments, documentaries, articles etc are kinda ridiculous- However, I suppose they are useful in helping us think about better animal-farming processes and getting people to actually eat some real fruits and vegetables- so not all is lost.

MostlyPlantbased wrote:

Chris Kresser got absolutely destroyed by one of the producers of The Gamechanger documentary. Chris Kresser should have to take his fake information down and promise to never comment on this subject again, because he is clearly not educated to comment on nutrition or any type of scientific research. The Gamechanger producers should sue him for libel too. I'm mostly plant based for 2 years now and feel great...we eat fish once a week as well as one meal of high quality grass fed beef.

Destroyed on only a couple of topics. The amount of information Kresser presented was way more than the documentary. Of the two, Kresser has done a way more research and provided way more factual data.

MostlyPlantbased wrote:

Chris Kresser got absolutely destroyed by one of the producers of The Gamechanger documentary. Chris Kresser should have to take his fake information down and promise to never comment on this subject again, because he is clearly not educated to comment on nutrition or any type of scientific research. The Gamechanger producers should sue him for libel too. I'm mostly plant based for 2 years now and feel great...we eat fish once a week as well as one meal of high quality grass fed beef.

Anybody can “debunk” anyone. You can find a ‘research study’ or article to support almost any assertion. So this ‘debunking’ can go back and forth for eternity because someone can always find contradictory evidence to the opposing claim OR they can interpret the information differently in a seemingly logical way.

We just have to look at what’s most likely. Meta-analysis are a good start. When you look at the whole-picture, taking into account all studies and perspectives as well as real-life examples, I’m not sure how it’s logical to definitively conclude going 100% vegan is the best. The incredible mass majority of athletes eat at least some animal products. I think 100% (or close to it) World Records have been set by someone who eats at least some animal products. That doesn’t definitively prove including some animals products is beneficial, BUT it’s enough to deter me from saying “ A 100% Vegan diet is, without a doubt, the best. Any anyone who believes otherwise is an ignorant fool destroying their body.”

*This response isn’t directed at the quoted poster as they indicate they eat some fish and grass-fed beef.

lwood wrote:

MostlyPlantbased wrote:

Chris Kresser got absolutely destroyed by one of the producers of The Gamechanger documentary. Chris Kresser should have to take his fake information down and promise to never comment on this subject again, because he is clearly not educated to comment on nutrition or any type of scientific research. The Gamechanger producers should sue him for libel too. I'm mostly plant based for 2 years now and feel great...we eat fish once a week as well as one meal of high quality grass fed beef.

Destroyed on only a couple of topics. The amount of information Kresser presented was way more than the documentary. Of the two, Kresser has done a way more research and provided way more factual data.

That's absurd if you actually listened to the Joe Rogan podcast you'd know that he was unable to win on any single issue. Kresser basically admitted he was defeated on every point. Kresser knew that he'd gain attention from all other non-vegan diet groups in a scheme to spread lies and probably financially benefit.

MostlyPlantbased wrote:

lwood wrote:

Destroyed on only a couple of topics. The amount of information Kresser presented was way more than the documentary. Of the two, Kresser has done a way more research and provided way more factual data.

That's absurd if you actually listened to the Joe Rogan podcast you'd know that he was unable to win on any single issue. Kresser basically admitted he was defeated on every point. Kresser knew that he'd gain attention from all other non-vegan diet groups in a scheme to spread lies and probably financially benefit.

I've listened to both the podcasts, watched the doc, and read Kresser's notes-have you?

He was defeated on every point, but the points brought up were trivial. You think the producer of the doc is going to want to lose thus affecting the credibility of his film?

Read the notes. Astounding amount of proof.

I’ve been plant based since 2007. I feel great and have a ton of energy. I never feel hungry. Personally I wish I were plant based since birth. I am 100% confident I would have run faster in hs and college.

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I don't think a great diet will let you perform better. People have amazing performances with crappy diets. The difference will be 20-30 years later. Bad diet will catch up with you in your late 30ies and 40ies. In the 50ies you will see big differences.

I also thought that a healthy diet makes you less injury prone but of course I have no prove for that.

I'm in my late 60s and haven't touched a plant product other than whole raw fruit in 6 years. I was plant-free for 4 years but discovered that I can now handle fruit for the first time ever without digestive upset thanks to the years of carnivore healing my gut and shifting my gut biome to a healthier balance.

On full keto I could run 50k easily with little extra training, and on my current "Carnicore" animal + fruit diet running my best sprint times in 16 years while working blue collar 40 hours a week with strong young dudes who cut me no slack and none needed :) No supps and certainly no meds or hormones.

Veganism is the worst possible diet for humans, for the animals and.for the planet. Humans think they can outsmart 2.5 million years of hard-won evolution into obligate carnivores, but their hubris is bearing pain and misery. As a plant based eater for decades with constant health struggles, I was in the front lines of the grift and fortunately emerged to full health to warn my younger friends who seek heath and peace of mind.

Lol. Soooo dumb. There are tons of serious athletes that have been long term vegans.

Ohhh nooooo. Not this absolutely egotistical, idiotic clown and his anti-vegan garbage rants yet again. 🙄

Go away old man. no one cares about your long slow jogs and imaginary fast Sprints with "the young dudes". His self absorption knows no bounds.

This is the exact corporate propaganda that I swallowed,quite literally, for years, getting sicker and sicker the entire time.

Red meat is the healthiest food for humans and the ONLY one that can support the highest level of health when consumed EXCLUSIVELY for not only years, but generations (fish and eggs are second and third). Proven by millions of humans for millions of years, but precious modern snowflake "researchers" want us to ration it out by the teaspoon....F that, lol.