If you take the base line on doping convictions as this :
1. Sprinter says positive test from intense kissing . Reverse suspension.
2. 800 meter runner, steroid from In and out Burger . Reverse suspension
This is going nowhere . all politics .
If you take the base line on doping convictions as this :
1. Sprinter says positive test from intense kissing . Reverse suspension.
2. 800 meter runner, steroid from In and out Burger . Reverse suspension
This is going nowhere . all politics .
In countries where doping is criminalized it works as a parallel system to the antidoping sports system. The criminal system can impose fines and/or sentences and can use police/subpoenas/search warrants/etc. to investigate doping. The current antidoping system remains responsible for adjudicating and suspending people from sporting events. The standards under the WADA code remain intact. I'm against criminalizing doping because it is ineffective (doesn't work currently) and uses resources better put to other things, but you should at least be knowledgeable enough for your support or disapproval to be based on facts.
In and Out / wrote:
If you take the base line on doping convictions as this :
1. Sprinter says positive test from intense kissing . Reverse suspension.
2. 800 meter runner, steroid from In and out Burger . Reverse suspension
This is going nowhere . all politics .
Be Better! wrote:
shegood wrote:
But they will be subject to U.S. laws when in the U.S. to run Boston, NYC, Pre, LA Olympics. Gotta start somewhere.
So the next time Russia hosts the Olympics, they could do likewise and pass a law to imprison Americans, right?
The only chance Russia will ever host another Olympics is if they truly get their act together. And if they truly have their act together, then they will be righteous in putting any foreign dopers in prison (including Americans).
Be Better! wrote:
As you may have saw on the LRC front page, Molly Huddle wrote an opinion piece in the Providence Journal lobbying for the US Senate to pass the Rodchenkov Anti-Doping Act that would make doping a criminal offense in the US.
Then she is dumb enough to write:
The Rodchenkov Anti-Doping Act will criminalize doping conspiracies that target international sporting events and put the power of federal law enforcement behind clean athletes. Tools like subpoenas and searches and seizures will be used to hold corrupt sport administrators accountable. The act will protect whistleblowers and allow athletes to seek restitution when they are defrauded by dopers.
She wrote this trash pieces pointing fingers at the Russians yet doesn't realize US laws don't apply outside of the US. The US government thinks US laws apply in all countries, but it does not.
And also, shouldn't Molly be pointing fingers at American dopers instead? The Russians haven't won anything in athletics in ages and it is always Americans like Marion Jones and Alberto Salazar that are the leaders of the massive doping rings.
https://www.providencejournal.com/opinion/20191227/my-turn-molly-huddle-time-to-criminalize-doping-conspiracies
You're an imbecile. The difference between Russian doping and American doping is that in Russia, it's the government that is sponsoring it. In the US, it's bad apples trying to evade the authorities. Your example of Marion Jones shows how ignorant you are... she was literally busted (indirectly) by the FBI (the FBI raided Victor Conte's BALCO labs and her name was on the lists alongside people like Regina Jacobs, Barry Bonds, etc.) Then all these baseball steroid using MFers were hauled in front of Congress for an inquiry (which at the time was viewed as a diversion of public attention because the US was still reeling from 9/11.)
You're reading too much propaganda from RT News and Maria Lasitskene if you think that the Russian government isn't sponsoring doping.
Be Better! wrote:
As you may have saw on the LRC front page, Molly Huddle wrote an opinion piece in the Providence Journal lobbying for the US Senate to pass the Rodchenkov Anti-Doping Act that would make doping a criminal offense in the US.
Then she is dumb enough to write:
The Rodchenkov Anti-Doping Act will criminalize doping conspiracies that target international sporting events and put the power of federal law enforcement behind clean athletes. Tools like subpoenas and searches and seizures will be used to hold corrupt sport administrators accountable. The act will protect whistleblowers and allow athletes to seek restitution when they are defrauded by dopers.
She wrote this trash pieces pointing fingers at the Russians yet doesn't realize US laws don't apply outside of the US. The US government thinks US laws apply in all countries, but it does not.
And also, shouldn't Molly be pointing fingers at American dopers instead? The Russians haven't won anything in athletics in ages and it is always Americans like Marion Jones and Alberto Salazar that are the leaders of the massive doping rings.
https://www.providencejournal.com/opinion/20191227/my-turn-molly-huddle-time-to-criminalize-doping-conspiracies
Wish LRC could do a better job screening out russian trolls...
THis is wrong wrote:
In countries where doping is criminalized it works as a parallel system to the antidoping sports system. The criminal system can impose fines and/or sentences and can use police/subpoenas/search warrants/etc. to investigate doping. The current antidoping system remains responsible for adjudicating and suspending people from sporting events. The standards under the WADA code remain intact.
Exactly. There are actually some role models, like Germany/Austria (Aderlass) and Spain (Aden), that show how advantageous police involvement can be in getting cheats out of the sport, which is why I am in favor of it.
Of course the IAAF remains opposed, for ultimately it would reduce their power, slow down the sport and show once more how dirty it is.
Last but not least, countries where doping is criminalized will likely end up with fewer dopers and thus fewer medals. Advantage (currently) US and UK.
Be Better! wrote:
otter wrote:
No comment on her interview but she is clean. I am 100% sure of this.
Are you really sure? You remember that old saying about the person that screams the loudest often is the one with something to hide? Like how Lance Armstrong used to be so outspoken about Anti-Doping?
Just stop, dude. Russia is shady as hell, as is everyone from there. No one is swayed by your beating the drum defending those scumbags
Be Better! wrote:
otter wrote:
No comment on her interview but she is clean. I am 100% sure of this.
Are you really sure? You remember that old saying about the person that screams the loudest often is the one with something to hide? Like how Lance Armstrong used to be so outspoken about Anti-Doping?
Nope, not so, Armstrong was never "outspoken about Anti-doping." He talked about it a lot, because he was asked about it a lot. He never was a campaigner for obvious reasons, and it wasn't something he brought up unprompted.
And no, that is not an old saying.
Stupid people wrote:
sbeefyk2 wrote:
Luckily next time Russia hosts an Olympic Game Russia will not have leverage over the President of the United States. So, it is with absolute certainty Russia will not pass a law to imprison Americans. The consequences would be disastrous for Russia.
Right. If they called us out for our doping, we'd simply drop a few nuclear bombs on Moscow.
Are you really that stupid.
Unfortunately, going by his track record here, it is plausibility.
Be Better! wrote:
otter wrote:
No comment on her interview but she is clean. I am 100% sure of this.
Are you really sure? You remember that old saying about the person that screams the loudest often is the one with something to hide? Like how Lance Armstrong used to be so outspoken about Anti-Doping?
Exactly, Asbel Kiprop wanted cheats imprisoned.
Subway Surfers wrote:
Exactly, Asbel Kiprop wanted cheats imprisoned.
Lolz. And Paula Radcliffe wanted more transparency, until people wanted to see her values. Now she is pro privacy. Lolz.
Be Better! wrote:
As you may have saw on the LRC front page, Molly Huddle wrote an opinion piece in the Providence Journal lobbying for the US Senate to pass the Rodchenkov Anti-Doping Act that would make doping a criminal offense in the US. Then she is dumb enough to write:
The Rodchenkov Anti-Doping Act will criminalize doping conspiracies that target international sporting events and put the power of federal law enforcement behind clean athletes. Tools like subpoenas and searches and seizures will be used to hold corrupt sport administrators accountable. The act will protect whistleblowers and allow athletes to seek restitution when they are defrauded by dopers.
She wrote this trash pieces pointing fingers at the Russians yet doesn't realize US laws don't apply outside of the US. The US government thinks US laws apply in all countries, but it does not.
And also, shouldn't Molly be pointing fingers at American dopers instead? The Russians haven't won anything in athletics in ages and it is always Americans like Marion Jones and Alberto Salazar that are the leaders of the massive doping rings.
https://www.providencejournal.com/opinion/20191227/my-turn-molly-huddle-time-to-criminalize-doping-conspiracies
Which BTC athletes and coaches should be in jail now . Molly has a good idea . Kara and the Clean Sport group had no comment on Shelby.
Molly , Radcliffe ,Kara Goucher have all stayed away from commenting on the BTC doping . The only person that spoke out against the Shelby case was Molly S .
I'm 100% for criminalization of doping. We need to ensure no one is doping and this gets us closer.
Hdudueuey wrote:
I'm 100% for criminalization of doping. We need to ensure no one is doping and this gets us closer.
No way are you crazy?Do you really want to see your favorite athletes run slower?Do you realize how boring our sport would be if doping was stopped .