Molly Huddle is on a High Horse Again Wanting to Criminalize Doping

But they will be subject to U.S. laws when in the U.S. to run Boston, NYC, Pre, LA Olympics. Gotta start somewhere.

shegood wrote:

But they will be subject to U.S. laws when in the U.S. to run Boston, NYC, Pre, LA Olympics. Gotta start somewhere.

So the next time Russia hosts the Olympics, they could do likewise and pass a law to imprison Americans, right?

Be Better! wrote:

shegood wrote:

But they will be subject to U.S. laws when in the U.S. to run Boston, NYC, Pre, LA Olympics. Gotta start somewhere.

So the next time Russia hosts the Olympics, they could do likewise and pass a law to imprison Americans, right?

Luckily next time Russia hosts an Olympic Game Russia will not have leverage over the President of the United States. So, it is with absolute certainty Russia will not pass a law to imprison Americans. The consequences would be disastrous for Russia.

There is a potential down-side to criminalizing doping. Currently doping regulations are considered much like civil law where the burden of proof is preponderance of the evidence. Individuals are considered guilty if there is a reasonable belief that they are guilty. If they want to fight the charge they have to produce evidence that they are innocent. A typical example is the contaminated supplement excuse. Currently the athlete has to prove the supplement was contaminated, just raising the possibility is not a defence.

In criminal law the burden of proof is much higher, beyond reasonable doubt. Here the burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt. All the defence has to do is raise as many doubts as they can and hope that they have done enough to get an acquittal. I would suspect that unless the athlete is caught with the raw drug in their possession most would get off with a tainted beef, contaminated supplement, sabotage, kissing etc string of excuses.

Be Better! wrote:

put the power of federal law enforcement behind clean athletes.

frankly, I can think of a million other ways to expend federal funds than on silly athletic doping control. That’s what the sports associations are for, no matter how lame they are.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Be Better! wrote:

So the next time Russia hosts the Olympics, they could do likewise and pass a law to imprison Americans, right?

Luckily next time Russia hosts an Olympic Game Russia will not have leverage over the President of the United States. So, it is with absolute certainty Russia will not pass a law to imprison Americans. The consequences would be disastrous for Russia.

True, because Obama won’t be President then.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Luckily next time Russia hosts an Olympic Game Russia will not have leverage over the President of the United States. So, it is with absolute certainty Russia will not pass a law to imprison Americans. The consequences would be disastrous for Russia.

Right. If they called us out for our doping, we'd simply drop a few nuclear bombs on Moscow.

Are you really that stupid.

It's so bad in Kenya that their legislators are working on criminalizing doping:

Any LetsRun lawyers care to weigh in on this proposed Act?

https://noahhoffman.com/rodchenkov-anti-doping-act/

Summary of Rodchenkov Anti-Doping Act

The Act will

■ Criminalize doping conspiracies that target international sporting events

○ International jurisdiction extends to any sporting events that has

○ 1 or more U.S. athletes and 3 or more international athletes competing

○ AND

○ is a signatory to the WADA code

○ AND

○ has a sponsor that does business in the U.S. OR sells rights to be broadcast in the U.S.

■ Not make doping by athletes illegal

○ According to a British study, the biggest deterrent for athletes not to dope is the possibility that they will not be able to compete. If doping were criminalized, first offense would likely result in only a fine

○ Makes no sense to prosecute athletes criminally for using a contaminated supplement or taking a prohibited over-the-counter medication

○ Criminalizing doping by athletes would hamper USADA’s work to clean up sport because athletes would not cooperate with anti-doping investigations for fear that they could later be prosecuted

○ Federal law enforcement does not have the resources nor the will to take over all anti-doping efforts in the U.S.

○ Sport organizing and governing committees (such as the USOC, the IOC and WADA) would not support a bill that could result in athletes being handcuffed at the finish line

○ If doping is criminalized for athletes, out-of-competition anti-doping tests could potentially be a violation of the fourth amendment of the U.S. Constitution which prohibits against unwarranted searches and seizures

■ Require federal law enforcement to share information with USADA to assist its fight against doping

○ Unlike federal law enforcement, USADA does not have search and seizure or subpoena powers

■ Provide the possibility for restitution to athletes who have been defrauded by doping

■ Provide witness protection to doping whistleblowers

○ Currently, whistleblowers such as Dr. Rodchenkov and Yuliya and Vitaliy Stepanov are not eligible for U.S. witness protection because doping conspiracy is not a crime, even though they are at considerable personal risk

○ Whistleblowing is essential to policing doping in sport

So Magness would go into witness protection for whistle blowers ? ya ok .

This seems to only penalize international events so the NFL, MLB, etc are fine.

Be Better! for some asinine reason wrote:

As you may have saw

Dude, you really don't know better?

Karl Hungus wrote:

This seems to only penalize international events so the NFL, MLB, etc are fine.

Yup, you are absolutely right. That Molly Huddle law is written to prevent any prosecution of American athletes or perhaps, only allowing targeting foreign athletes and organizations. She is a joke.

Karl Hungus wrote:

This seems to only penalize international events so the NFL, MLB, etc are fine.

Be Better! wrote:

Yup, you are absolutely right. That Molly Huddle law is written to prevent any prosecution of American athletes or perhaps, only allowing targeting foreign athletes and organizations. She is a joke.

She's afraid of getting caught, and wants to get some laws in place to protect herself.

It seems to be obvious wrote:

Karl Hungus wrote:

This seems to only penalize international events so the NFL, MLB, etc are fine.

Be Better! wrote:

Yup, you are absolutely right. That Molly Huddle law is written to prevent any prosecution of American athletes or perhaps, only allowing targeting foreign athletes and organizations. She is a joke.

She's afraid of getting caught, and wants to get some laws in place to protect herself.

No comment on her interview but she is clean. I am 100% sure of this.

otter wrote:

No comment on her interview but she is clean. I am 100% sure of this.

Are you really sure? You remember that old saying about the person that screams the loudest often is the one with something to hide? Like how Lance Armstrong used to be so outspoken about Anti-Doping?

Be Better! wrote:

otter wrote:

No comment on her interview but she is clean. I am 100% sure of this.

Are you really sure? You remember that old saying about the person that screams the loudest often is the one with something to hide? Like how Lance Armstrong used to be so outspoken about Anti-Doping?

Take or leave or leave it, but I know she is clean. I am sorry, but I will not reveal how I know this.

You're forgetting that the World Championships are in the United States in 2021. Foreign nationals that commit crimes while on U.S. soil are subject to U.S. laws. If doping was a criminal offense in this country, then yes dopers could be arrested and prosecuted. In Spain doping is a criminal offense which is why Spanish police raided Jama Aden's hotel room in Sabadell.

Be Better! wrote:

otter wrote:

No comment on her interview but she is clean. I am 100% sure of this.

Are you really sure? You remember that old saying about the person that screams the loudest often is the one with something to hide? Like how Lance Armstrong used to be so outspoken about Anti-Doping?

Yeah but Molly Huddle is not as dominant an athlete as Lance was.