Jo Fukuda ran 300k the second week and 200k in race week before the Fukuoka Marathon 2019.
553k in 2 weeks. How is that possible ?
I'm very aware that he is running extremly slow and all of this is basically active recovery. 2:10:33 is close to his PB (2:09:52 ) so one must assume that he ran 2:10 not despite the 500k the days before but because of it. Can anyone explain that to me ? How can he be fresh after all of these hours on his feet ? Or in other words - why wouldnt he be fresher with half of that milage?
Fascinating anyway...
Check his strava account.
japanese runner did 500k/310 miles the last 13 days before running 2:10
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curious1986 wrote:
why wouldnt he be fresher with half of that milage?
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Crazy
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It should also be noted that he ran 225k in the first and 300k again in the second week after his marathon (but apparently got ill/injured for a short time thereafter). Fascinating indeed, would be interesting to know if those extremly slow runs are common among japanese marathoners.
Strava link for reference: https://www.strava.com/athletes/42057509 -
areobic beast wrote:
It should also be noted that he ran 225k in the first and 300k again in the second week after his marathon (but apparently got ill/injured for a short time thereafter). Fascinating indeed, would be interesting to know if those extremly slow runs are common among japanese marathoners.
Strava link for reference: https://www.strava.com/athletes/42057509
My take when Japanese training was discussed previously was that they are not uncommon, but not the norm. The fast training groups in Japan still run a lot, but would prob drop mileage for a big race and do shorter weeks to recover. -
I've noticed he did a double warm up before the Fukuoka marathon, almost 4 miles at 6AM and 3 miles "jog" pre race @5:40 pace?!
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That I saw too. Even though it's impressive/interesting it's something I can relate to. I've done an early short morning run plus a warm up before the race.
But that someone reaches peak milage the week before race week ( at least within the last 3 months or so , I've also seen a 400k week half a year ago ) is something I can't really comprehend.... -
Case studies like this prove we still have a lot to learn about training. Love it.
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Dude is a beast, 10k warm up before a 2:10 marathon.
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Gotta keep the blood thin...if you rest too much, it could thicken up in your sleep and there is no waking up from that.
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Classic thread.
http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum9/HTML/001362.shtml -
Today our friend did 25k at 4:00/k in the morning and 50 at 4:16/k ( warm up, 40k 4:00/k, Cool down) in the afternoon.
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I thought marathon running clogs up your heart? Is that not the case? It seems like so many Japanese distance runners put in large amounts of mileage, but do they ever end up really suffering because of it?
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dude already did 135 miles this week in just 4 days, with a 5x3k workout (in 9:00)
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The guy knows how to keep the efforts easy. Just this week he has a ton of easy mileage in the 8-9 min/mile pace range. And these aren't even slow due to altitude or climb, they're at sea level and flat:
13.37 miles 8:55 pace
15.72 miles 8:17 pace
8.22 miles 8:43 pace
13.57 miles 8:39 pace
9.05 miles 8:43 pace
13.98 miles 8:14 pace
Looks like the Japanese marathon training philosophy is like an extreme version of wejo's "Why I sucked in college", where wejo slows his easy runs to 7:30-8:00, is able to do fast workouts much better, and improves to 28:06.
I wish I knew about this kind of training 30 years ago, because the mileage and even fast stuff look like something that I could have built up to then. I'll never know, but maybe I had 2:09 talent in me too.
I dug up an old thread where Mayeroff (and John Kellogg) talk about how the Japanese run 250-300 km per week, and do much of it slowly, but hammer the fast stuff.
Maybe Walmsley, doing similar mileage should jog some of his runs slower before his faster days?
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8772 -
This guy is still far from Japanese elite marathoners so don't take his training as the golden standard. He's running way too much and will burnout badly sooner or later.
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Who's his coach?
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zzzz wrote:
The guy knows how to keep the efforts easy. Just this week he has a ton of easy mileage in the 8-9 min/mile pace range. And these aren't even slow due to altitude or climb, they're at sea level and flat:
13.37 miles 8:55 pace
15.72 miles 8:17 pace
8.22 miles 8:43 pace
13.57 miles 8:39 pace
9.05 miles 8:43 pace
13.98 miles 8:14 pace
Looks like the Japanese marathon training philosophy is like an extreme version of wejo's "Why I sucked in college", where wejo slows his easy runs to 7:30-8:00, is able to do fast workouts much better, and improves to 28:06.
I wish I knew about this kind of training 30 years ago, because the mileage and even fast stuff look like something that I could have built up to then. I'll never know, but maybe I had 2:09 talent in me too.
I dug up an old thread where Mayeroff (and John Kellogg) talk about how the Japanese run 250-300 km per week, and do much of it slowly, but hammer the fast stuff.
Maybe Walmsley, doing similar mileage should jog some of his runs slower before his faster days?
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8772
lol don’t you think ...that at this volume of training, that this is basically what he can squeeze out before he implodes..?! -
RealityChk wrote:
This guy is still far from Japanese elite marathoners so don't take his training as the golden standard. He's running way too much and will burnout badly sooner or later.
His training is within the range of typical Japanese marathon training. That's why I posted that old LR thread link as an example. I've been on letsrun since basically the beginning, and there have been many Japanese training threads that have described their training. His training fits the profile. Photos on his strava show him doing fast workouts in a group.
He isn't far from Japanese elite. He's ranked 7th on the World Athletics list. He was targeting 2:08 in his race last month where he ran 2:10. Maybe he would have run 2:08 with a taper. -
this is a horrible program. he doesn't run a 2:10 because of this training but despite this training. it is the result of a mentality based on iron will and the highest work ethic. but it is neither efficient nor produces unrivaled results. sorry. maybe he'll run strong ultra races with it.
