You do understand that was one person's opinion, don't you?
You do understand that was one person's opinion, don't you?
olympichopeful wrote:
28.48 FAT split according to runnerspace. That's not very good for a 4:33 miler. She is pure aerobic strength. It seems like her weight lifting routine hasn't helped her speed at all.
Good grief. Weight lifting does not create speed!
olympichopeful wrote:
28.48 FAT split according to runnerspace. That's not very good for a 4:33 miler. She is pure aerobic strength. It seems like her weight lifting routine hasn't helped her speed at all.
"Not very good", I would think a 4:33 miler could do a set of 28x intervals.
so ignorant, i bet you can't even go under 28
youstoped wrote:
so ignorant, i bet you can't even go under 28
Weight training might or might not give someone the means to go faster in a 200 meter race but ONLY by training absolute speed (Tuohy does NOT do) also. It's amazing to me that this is not common knowledge here. You call me ignorant...haha
Jedsdead wrote:
fastTuohy wrote:
I won't pretend to be knowledgeable on foot mechanics, but if she is landing this way (excessive supination) that can't be good, can it? Perhaps she corrects prior to impact. I bring this up more as a question than a statement.
I have noticed before that she lands on the outside edge, but this pic likely exaggerates it because of the track slope. Personally i dont think it matters how your foot first makes contact, but rather what it does when the weight is fully on the foot. But outside - in is fairly normal.
If you watch the Toad interview video where she is running on a flat road there is an asymmetry between the landing of her right and left feet. She lands more on the outside of her right foot than on her left.
Shirk wrote:
For those questioning footstrike, here is a sampling taken from the 2012 Olympic Trials
http://biomechanics.byu.edu/footstrikesmens10k.jpghttp://biomechanics.byu.edu/footstrikeswomens10k.jpghttp://biomechanics.byu.edu/footstrikesmens5k.jpghttp://biomechanics.byu.edu/w800final.jpghttp://biomechanics.byu.edu/footstrikes10krupp.jpg
Now this was creepy
UltraDude wrote:
Jedsdead wrote:
I have noticed before that she lands on the outside edge, but this pic likely exaggerates it because of the track slope. Personally i dont think it matters how your foot first makes contact, but rather what it does when the weight is fully on the foot. But outside - in is fairly normal.
If you watch the Toad interview video where she is running on a flat road there is an asymmetry between the landing of her right and left feet. She lands more on the outside of her right foot than on her left.
Most right-handed/sided people do exactly the same.
Those saying Tuohy is a 4:33 miler need to remember that was two seasons ago. She was about 1 second per 200 slower than that last season.
She split 4:36 for the 1600 on the DMR at Penn Relays last season. try 1 second slower per 400.
Did anybody calculate in the fact she was running INDOORS!
waltertompatton wrote:
Did anybody calculate in the fact she was running INDOORS!
Not sure what you are referencing with this...yes she was running indoors..pretty sure that was obvious.
Jedsdead wrote:
waltertompatton wrote:
Did anybody calculate in the fact she was running INDOORS!
Not sure what you are referencing with this...yes she was running indoors..pretty sure that was obvious.
sorry I can't do those calculations, my protractor is broken!
Has anyone else done the indoor to outdoor calculation conversions?
Or can anyone lend me their protractor and I'll do it
Which equations are we using? I usually use the covariant derivative, is that correct?
Anyway I'm guessing that everyone else probably just did the calculations in their head so I would rest assured that it's not skewing the discussion too much
I'd be more concerned that she was running in the northern hemisphere during daylight savings
Guys have we taken into account that she was running during daylight savings time?
Also it was at the Armory sometimes they mess with the gravity
That's another thing we got to check on. Oh man so many calculations to do!
Well we need to settle it once and for all then. If she ran a 28.5, she has no hope in the future for this sport and won't improve. If she ran 26.5 things are looking a bit better even though it's still slow. 28.5 says the instagram page and I don't know what leg she ran on
this board is getting dumber wrote:
olympichopeful wrote:
28.48 FAT split according to runnerspace. That's not very good for a 4:33 miler. She is pure aerobic strength. It seems like her weight lifting routine hasn't helped her speed at all.
Good grief. Weight lifting does not create speed!
Weightlifting as part of an overall training program can definitely increase speed
All the top sprinters do serious weight lifting
But you have to combine it with the overall training program
Katelyn Tuohy doesn't train to be a sprinter but I'm sure she does work on her kick and her finishing speed but probably so far only to a modest degree
Anyway I'm sure her weight lifting and training is geared towards distance running so
I think people are being a little too critical. She definitely has better than average speed for a distance Runner
waltertompatton wrote:
Did anybody calculate in the fact she was running INDOORS!
Exactly. Only actual morans wouldn't realise that an indoor 200m is MUCH slower than the outdoor 200m. You have two sharp bends and need to run up and down a small hill!
You can take a second off for an indoors to outdoors conversion at this level.
Now I have a question for the board: how fast did you expect her to run?? 4:33 for the mile does not require blazing speed. She isn't a sprinter. She is pure endurance. She probably could do a session of 200s in the 29/30 range but can't go under 27 flat out. That's normal.
Belarussiya wrote:
Well we need to settle it once and for all then. If she ran a 28.5, she has no hope in the future for this sport and won't improve. If she ran 26.5 things are looking a bit better even though it's still slow. 28.5 says the instagram page and I don't know what leg she ran on
She look pretty good
She ran the anchor in the prelims
And she caught a girl who was a good 3M ahead of her
I'm sure most of these girls are pretty good sprinters I mean New York has a lot of good sprinters and this is a race at the Armory so
Pretty sure she's been top five in the country at the 1K
She got some pretty good wheels on her. If she can run another low 9 3K that would be right up there with the best in the NCAA
Anyway get your protractor out and work on some of those other calculations instead of issuing papal edicts based on a relay she ran for fun
wutwut wrote:
You do understand that was one person's opinion, don't you?
Yes, but there were a few post that supported the his notions and a few that gave some backlash. My post was intended to add to the backlash.
agree
Speed for sure not her strength, but not as bad as often claimed here on the board.
She has run 2:11 in open 800 and split 2:09 as anchor on the sprint medley, but these are rare appearances.
Hypothetically, if she ran a full season with 800 focus she could run 2:05 and make the national finals.
Current realistic abilities (we'll see in 2020)
200 - 28
400 - 58
800 - 2:05 (off the 2:09 relay split)
mile - 4:29 (off the 4:33 solo 90 degree mile)
2 mile - 9:39 (off the 9:01 3k)
Happy New Year y'all!
ex-runner wrote:
waltertompatton wrote:
Did anybody calculate in the fact she was running INDOORS!
Exactly. Only actual morans wouldn't realise that an indoor 200m is MUCH slower than the outdoor 200m. You have two sharp bends and need to run up and down a small hill!
You can take a second off for an indoors to outdoors conversion at this level.
Now I have a question for the board: how fast did you expect her to run?? 4:33 for the mile does not require blazing speed. She isn't a sprinter. She is pure endurance. She probably could do a session of 200s in the 29/30 range but can't go under 27 flat out. That's normal.
Thank You! Your knowledge is waay above average for LRC! Happy Holidays!!!
I think outdoors she ran a 2:09 open 800 and during the SMR she split 2:08 high (after running a hard DMR leg though)
She also ran solid 600 and 1000 times indoors.