Jim Walmsley ran 175 miles last week

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

zzzz wrote:

"is said to". It is remotely believable, though it would be like the 6 day world record plus two more days easing up a bit, so definitely not at 6 min pace. More like running like a monk on a insane quest, and seeing what happens to the body and mind afterwards. Seko was maybe the top marathoner in the world for a time (a favorite for the 1980 Olympic marathon before boycott), so he wouldn't be concerned that a one off training effort might have had implications in the insignificant ultra world.

Source for that was Running with the Legends book, by Sandrock. Seko did say his body was confused afterwards.

From the thread years ago when this came up

Can you tell me a bit about your training back then?

TS: I ran seven days a week, and averaged a marathon a day in distance. There were no days off.

What was the furthest you ever covered in a day if 26-miles was normal?

TS: One morning I warmed up with 10-kilometers, then after I went for a long run, and I did 88km (55-miles). I can run forever once I start.

So Seko somehow forgot all about the week where he ran 50% farther than his higher number. And yes obviously he wasn't running 6 min miles. That is just to point out how absurd this level of training is. It is right up there with Sydnee Marees running 45 min 10 mile runs ever day that one of those training books posted. Nobody is going to go from from 150mpw (or whatever he was at) to running 500+mpw to see what it does.

Odds are it was something 1200 km/month would be a pretty believable number. Doing ~170 miles/week . for a month is a crap load of training. Somewhere along the way things got mixed up.

Forest Gump here wrote:

I just read this on wikipedia:

The Summer Olympics and After

Lindgren (left) in 1971

In the 1964 Summer Olympics in Tokyo, he finished ninth in the 10,000 m behind gold medalist Billy Mills after having sprained an ankle during training. Lindgren had previously beaten Mills in the Olympic Trials that year. Mills later said that a healthy Lindgren would have won gold. Four years later, Lindgren tried to make the 1968 Olympic team but finished 5th in the 10,000 m and 4th in the 5,000 m in the Olympic Trials at Echo Summit, just missing the team at both distances because of a painful Achilles tendon injury. In his training just after college, he averaged 240 miles per week for one year, including running a 380-mile week.[6]

240 miles a week are 34.28 miles a day.

In a year with 50 weeks of training that would be 12000 miles.

I think somebody got confused. That is impossible to do this in training.

yesstiles1 wrote:

Forest Gump here wrote:

373 miles and average of 350 miles for 4 weeks!

Do you know how far that is?

I have done similar distances in ultra races and I am not that good of a runner but no way somebody trained 50 miles a day. That doesn't make any sense. Especially for somebody who was a track specialist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Lindgren

Lindgren info from "Running With the Champions by Marc Bloom":

As a high school senior in 1964, Lindgren ran three times a day. He ran 5 or 6 miles in the morning, another 8 to 14 miles with the track team in the afternoon, and after going to sleep, got up at 1:00 or 2:00 A.M. for 10 more miles in the middle of the night. With added mileage on weekends, Lindgren says that he collected over 200 miles a week.

On weekdays, Lindgren switched between distance and speed with the Rogers team. If he did 400s, he did 15 of them in 60 seconds with a 400 jog between. If he did 800s, he did 8 of them in 2:05 to 2:10 with a 400 jog. These were world-class workouts, but Lindgren was running world-class times.

At Washington State, Lindgren's schedule initally allowed for only two workouts a day. He did his morning 5 or 6 miles and another 10 with the team in the afternoon. His favorite run was a 10-mile course through wheat fields. Lindgren says that his best time was 46:05, faster than Ron Clarke's world record on the track.

During one period at college, in late summer of 1967, Lindgren decided to outdo himself. He said that a physiologist at the school warned him against running more than 90 miles a week or risk breaking down. "I wanted to prove him wrong," said Lindgren. He proceeded to run 50 miles a day, 350 a week, for 6 weeks. "I ran at least five workouts a day," said Lindgren. "I felt great." He had a vegetarian diet, eating several meals a day.

Almost every weekend as a high school senior, and about once a month throughout his career, Lindgren ran 88 miles round-trip on Sunday to the top of Mt. Spokane. He'd start out at 5:00 in the morning and try to get back home by 4:00 P.M. Once, he got back around 2:30 P.M., better than 7 minutes a mile all the way. "Those last 5 miles were hell," he says.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

yesstiles1 wrote:

Lindgren info from "Running With the Champions by Marc Bloom":

As a high school senior in 1964, Lindgren ran three times a day. He ran 5 or 6 miles in the morning, another 8 to 14 miles with the track team in the afternoon, and after going to sleep, got up at 1:00 or 2:00 A.M. for 10 more miles in the middle of the night. With added mileage on weekends, Lindgren says that he collected over 200 miles a week.

On weekdays, Lindgren switched between distance and speed with the Rogers team. If he did 400s, he did 15 of them in 60 seconds with a 400 jog between. If he did 800s, he did 8 of them in 2:05 to 2:10 with a 400 jog. These were world-class workouts, but Lindgren was running world-class times.

At Washington State, Lindgren's schedule initally allowed for only two workouts a day. He did his morning 5 or 6 miles and another 10 with the team in the afternoon. His favorite run was a 10-mile course through wheat fields. Lindgren says that his best time was 46:05, faster than Ron Clarke's world record on the track.

During one period at college, in late summer of 1967, Lindgren decided to outdo himself. He said that a physiologist at the school warned him against running more than 90 miles a week or risk breaking down. "I wanted to prove him wrong," said Lindgren. He proceeded to run 50 miles a day, 350 a week, for 6 weeks. "I ran at least five workouts a day," said Lindgren. "I felt great." He had a vegetarian diet, eating several meals a day.

Almost every weekend as a high school senior, and about once a month throughout his career, Lindgren ran 88 miles round-trip on Sunday to the top of Mt. Spokane. He'd start out at 5:00 in the morning and try to get back home by 4:00 P.M. Once, he got back around 2:30 P.M., better than 7 minutes a mile all the way. "Those last 5 miles were hell," he says.

Sounds like mostly bs

yesstiles1 wrote:

Forest Gump here wrote:

373 miles and average of 350 miles for 4 weeks!

Do you know how far that is?

I have done similar distances in ultra races and I am not that good of a runner but no way somebody trained 50 miles a day. That doesn't make any sense. Especially for somebody who was a track specialist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Lindgren

Lindgren info from "Running With the Champions by Marc Bloom":

As a high school senior in 1964, Lindgren ran three times a day. He ran 5 or 6 miles in the morning, another 8 to 14 miles with the track team in the afternoon, and after going to sleep, got up at 1:00 or 2:00 A.M. for 10 more miles in the middle of the night. With added mileage on weekends, Lindgren says that he collected over 200 miles a week.

On weekdays, Lindgren switched between distance and speed with the Rogers team. If he did 400s, he did 15 of them in 60 seconds with a 400 jog between. If he did 800s, he did 8 of them in 2:05 to 2:10 with a 400 jog. These were world-class workouts, but Lindgren was running world-class times.

At Washington State, Lindgren's schedule initally allowed for only two workouts a day. He did his morning 5 or 6 miles and another 10 with the team in the afternoon. His favorite run was a 10-mile course through wheat fields. Lindgren says that his best time was 46:05, faster than Ron Clarke's world record on the track.

During one period at college, in late summer of 1967, Lindgren decided to outdo himself. He said that a physiologist at the school warned him against running more than 90 miles a week or risk breaking down. "I wanted to prove him wrong," said Lindgren. He proceeded to run 50 miles a day, 350 a week, for 6 weeks. "I ran at least five workouts a day," said Lindgren. "I felt great." He had a vegetarian diet, eating several meals a day.

Almost every weekend as a high school senior, and about once a month throughout his career, Lindgren ran 88 miles round-trip on Sunday to the top of Mt. Spokane. He'd start out at 5:00 in the morning and try to get back home by 4:00 P.M. Once, he got back around 2:30 P.M., better than 7 minutes a mile all the way. "Those last 5 miles were hell," he says.