Alysia Montaño mad that no women’s races made top 4 in LRC’s race of the decade

In my book, the women's 2012 Olympic Trials 5000m is right up there with Rudisha's 2012 Olympic win for race of the decade. The Coburn/Frerich race and the Delilah/Sydney race were damn good ones too.

But everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. Not sure if the Solinsky 10K made it more due to misogyny or Rupp/Salazar hating.

Bye Alysia.

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If she knows the site is so misogynistic, why does she care about the results. Start a chick lrc and see how it fares.

I personally would've taken the Dalihah WR and Hassan 1500 races into the final 4, but it's hard to argue with the ones that made it, especially given how they were each voted the best of a specific category. Also, the guys in the final 4 not named Chris Solinsky are objectively more accomplished than anyone she named. Not to tear any of the American women down, but really, Brenda Martinez?

I thought pros didn't read lets run

Fact of the matter is women aren’t as entertaining to watch in sports. Just look at the WNBA v NBA or the WNFL v NFL or WMLB v MLB or or or or.

I’m trying to think of a really exciting women’s race. Had Montaño beat Semenya then yeah I’d say it would have been super exciting, but then again there would be a biological man in the race so same problem exists.

SlowFatMaster wrote:

In my book, the women's 2012 Olympic Trials 5000m is right up there with Rudisha's 2012 Olympic win for race of the decade. The Coburn/Frerich race and the Delilah/Sydney race were damn good ones too.

But everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. Not sure if the Solinsky 10K made it more due to misogyny or Rupp/Salazar hating.

The solinsky 10k made it due to a u.s. bias. One of the races from the u.s.a. quarter of the braket was gaurunteed a spot in the top 4 despite all of them being far weaker than a majority of the races in the other quarters.

Feel4Her wrote:

Fact of the matter is women aren’t as entertaining to watch in sports. Just look at the WNBA v NBA or the WNFL v NFL or WMLB v MLB or or or or.

I’m trying to think of a really exciting women’s race. Had Montaño beat Semenya then yeah I’d say it would have been super exciting, but then again there would be a biological man in the race so same problem exists.

Lol. True.

weird that she would give lrc an air of legitimacy by retweeting their trash.

Screwed Either Way wrote:

rare wrote:

In hindsight, the brojos really set themselves up for these feminist complaints with this competition. Separate genders would have probably been a better idea.

She would have complained either way, especially if a black woman or man doesn't win. This makes so much sense now, so SHE is the one on LRC that always pops up into threads calling us racist when discussing black runner news but she disappears the moment we diss Sage or any white runner.

I wasn't aware of her calling the site racist. Did she do that?

I just really disagree with her logic, and name calling. It's disappointing because she has inspired so many people throughout her career, yet now is casually labeling many of them as misogynists. Labeling someone as "racist" and "misogynist" is a very serious accusations today and shouldn't be done casually.

I think her logic is that since not enough women's races advanced in the voting or weren't included to begin with LetsRun (not sure if its people who work with the site or founded it like myself or all the people who visit it or what) is misogynistic. If she wants to target me or the people behind the article I'm fine with that as at least it's only a few people, but to label a whole group of people who didn't vote for women's races as misogynistic is way over the top. You're a bad person if you didn't vote for a women's race is the message I think. Or perhaps misogyny is the only explanation that can explain why more women's races didn't advance?

But by that same logic can LetsRun no longer be called racist (if in fact she made that allegation which I've never heard)? The vast majority of races involve people of color. All 4 regions were named after people of color.

Is there some sort of magical number of category XYZ people that has to make the cut to prove we're not racist, sexist, or something else?

I just wish we could disagree with people these days without immediately labeling them as racist or sexist or what not. Or should I instead say Alysia is a xenophobic bigot since all of the people she cites are American?

No that would be idiotic. I think it's just best to say I disagree with her logic. But in today's twitter world, one's base gets rallied up with labels, a sense of moral superiority, instead of searching for common ground.

Think even if her tweet had been "Can't believe more of the great women's races didn't make the the final four"? That's a much more inclusive message than what she tweeted. Made we then could have a discussion on biases, implicit biases, performance in sport, etc.

If anything I'd understand the argument that there shouldn't even be the special American bracket that we had. That in a perfect world we'd just evaluate all performances the same no matter what country they come from or any affinity we have for the person. However, that's not the world we live in as evidenced by her tweet mentioning only Americans. Does that make us or her a bad person? I definitely don't think so.

Alysia's tweet disappoints me.

Why the xenophobia? Why the anti-third worldism? I thought she was a leader for the vulnerable.

Three of the 4 finalists are Olympic gold medallists and WR holders from Africa. Yet 5 of the 6 women she wants to replace them with are Americans who have never won an Olympic gold let alone set a WR.

The reality is we celebrate sportspeople from Africa more than any website outside of Africa that I'm aware of. The average African has it way worst off than the average woman in America. Her tweet shows that everyone has their biases.

I'm tempted to tweet back:

And the xenophobia w / @AlysiaMontano continues... Instead of celebrating 3 majestic WRs from African athletes, she wants us to eliminate them for inferior performances from Americans? #NoToXenophiba

It's disappointing that no pros ever have anything nice to say about LRC, but after sincere and rigorous self-evaluation, LRC always turns out to be entirely blameless.

It seems as though people have lost the ability to communicate their disagreement in a calm and logical manner.

From the rooftops they scream "you're a racist, misogynistic, necrophiliac" just because you don't happen to like their favorite brand of coffee.

Check out this twitter reply. Such a good example of Poe's Law.

https://twitter.com/Vicci25874803/status/1208925895374839808?s=20

webby wrote:

It's disappointing that no pros ever have anything nice to say about LRC, but after sincere and rigorous self-evaluation, LRC always turns out to be entirely blameless.

LetsRun is made up of humans, so we're going to make mistakes, we're definitely not always blameless.

Found it funny that Robert and I replied within 4 minutes of each other without knowing the other one was going to reply. Definitely a twin thing.

In this instance I just don't think we're misogynists because enough women's races didn't advance our of the voting or that we didn't name 2 of the regions after women. We grouped men's and women's sport together. Treated them as the same.

Sports often are treated as "men's sport" and "women's sport".

NYTimes had a big article this week on why there aren't more women's coaches in NCAA women's volleyball. I think an even better question would be is why there aren't women's coaches of men's sports? Why is the assumption that women only coach women's teams? That to me is sexist as hell. Is there even a single woman who is the head coach of a men's volleyball or basketball team?

Adding to this, the majority of LetsRun visitors are men, so there is probably some natural bias towards men's running. That's a hell of a lot different than misogyny which is, "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women." Same way that saying she has some natural bias towards American running is very different than saying she's racist or xenophobic.

^^

Summed up perfectly. I think as far as LetsRun is concerned, the bracket and results are pretty fair.

A good social experiment would be to place some of the top matchups on a Twitter poll to see how they fair. Not only would they reach a wider audience, but also more demographics.

Steve put it well our visitors may be biases towards men's performances but that doesn't make them misogynistic.

However, I can't believe Kipchoge's 2:01:39 made the final 2. Bekele ran 2:01:41. Alysia may be onto to something:)

It's interesting how with Brigid Kosgei's run didn't receive a lot of support because of the shoes and what not but people are in love with Kipchoge's run which another guy has come within 2 seconds of.

If Kipchoge had ran 2:01:39 and the #2 time was still 2:02:57 I could see it getting up to #2 but I'm surrpised with Bekele's run it is doing so well.

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She's right.