KATELYN TUOHY TO NC STATE

Surprised she selected an adidas school.

Guy Stecklov wrote:

Kev2 wrote:

I know this does not sound PC, but I don't think being white is that much of an advantage anymore. If I apply to many academic jobs, I am supposed to address diversity issues in the application. This is becoming a huge red flag, and I won't waste my time on that. At one time, certain minority groups were repressed and discriminated against, now I think the pendulum has swung in the other direction. Being male also does not help either, but that is another issue.

Your facts are wrong. I study this issue. In certain very specific sectors of society, minorities and women are making headway, but in the vast majority of arenas in the United States, being black or a woman is still a major limitation in success.

Not even close to the facts. Study a little harder...…..GUY!

What other colleges did she consider or visit?

That surprised me too. I have no idea if she cared about the company who sponsors the team. It almost seems like she saw the dangers of getting in to deep with Nike and decided to get out while she can. Oregon wasn’t on her list. (Although it also seems she stuck with schools closer to the Northeast).

Yo coach how do you think they're balancing all those scholarships? With all those new recruits? Haven't heard anyone really mention it but how can a school bring in 5 Elite Runners who I'm sure we're getting full scholarship offers to a bunch of schools. They got a sixth girl who is pretty close to a elite also? And that's just their distance runners. Anyway just curious I mean don't they have to guarantee each Runner a certain scholarship amount

Why how are Adidas running shoes compared to Nike? Seems like most of the girls in high school wear Nike or Saucony. Yeah I guess she's going to be decked out in Adidas apparel

Not good--Weini Kelati (barring injury) is head and shoulders above all other NCAA runners including the Foot Locker and NXS champions and she still has another year left at NM state

As great as she is, there is no guarantee she will even beat Starliper or Dudek --or more seasoned and experienced runners from Stanford University

Ezrun wrote:

The biggest thing for Tuohy would be her teammates and her coaches and the facilities that the track program offers

For some smart kids it's really important to surround themselves with other smart kids so I can see why it's good to choose Elite School

It's a really cool thing that that group of talented girls will be teammates.

Nice weather not too far from home. And it's a solid Academic School. It's not a Elite but it's definitely a good school

I guess a concern will be if several Alphas can get along and not torpedo the team dynamics.

These people will actually perform better if others don't put unrealistic or unreasonable expectations on these bright and talented crop of runners. In fact, it is not uncommon for college to make little or no progress the first year as it is often difficult to cope with a new environment coupled with a heavier training/studying load. If any freshman manage to crack into the top 10 at nationals, that should be considered a major accomplishment.

LOL.

Right, but what can happen is tuohy and starliper and chmiel all being in top 20, with walters not far behind. Stanford, byu and arkansas all graduated a lot so nc state might be right in it.

Right on! They definitely have a chance to compete right away

Tuohy starliper Camille Walter Schultz Moreno

Those girls could all go top 20. They must have a couple of other strong Runners already on the team besides Moreno Marina?

Hendricks is a good runner 2

NC State will always be a great NCAA mystery to me.

They have recruited some of the best athletes in the nation--to a mediocre school. Then all those athletes get run into the ground and burned out.

It's a vicious pattern. Craig Engels left after a year because it was too much and saved his career as a result.

RIP ACC wrote:

Via her IG

Editor's Note:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6ZAurbA7U1/

And so it begins. Best of luck.

Kev2 wrote:

Not good--Weini Kelati (barring injury) is head and shoulders above all other NCAA runners including the Foot Locker and NXS champions and she still has another year left at NM state

UNM, not NMSU.

vnaeian wrote:

NC State will always be a great NCAA mystery to me.

They have recruited some of the best athletes in the nation--to a mediocre school. Then all those athletes get run into the ground and burned out.

It's a vicious pattern. Craig Engels left after a year because it was too much and saved his career as a result.

It's not that mysterious, it's very easy to get into NC state especially as a recruited athlete, they have money to give for scholarships-academic and athletic, the academic expectations are low...there is a reason its ranked 84th. They had a great recruiting class. Most if not all of the schools these recruits were looking at had a higher academic ranking. They chose NC State for whatever reason(s), its ok. There are some very good runners such as alyssa hendrix that may never see the top 7, she is on the outside of the top 7 next fall and more high-quality recruits will be coming in the class of 2025. Those are the facts. Raleigh is a great place to run, there are two far better academic institutions in the area, UNC and Duke. If my kid was one of these recruits, loved Raleigh so much and were smart enough to be admitted, they wouldn't be anywhere near NC state, they would be at unc or duke which both have plenty of dollars available for top recruiting and have quality coaching. A degree from one of those institutions is far more valuable than a xc team title, if it ever happens.

Yeah, no. I've worked all over the world with top UK (Cambridge/Oxford Universities) and US graduates (Harvard etc). Other than getting the foot in the doors, these degrees cease to mean anything after a few years. It is how you do in the job - after a few years, no-one cares where you went to school as a kid. A lot of surprisingly bad performers I've worked with have come from these 'elite' schools; conversely, surprisingly good ones from much lower ranked schools in the US and the UK. You'd be surprised. Maybe a lot of people are just late bloomers, but perhaps the selection criteria to do well in a job and being good at taking exams don't necessarily translate. It takes more than book smarts [and - I should also add - those 200+ extra points added to your SAT because your grandparents came from a minority background don't count anymore when you're on a level playing field...ahum...also meaning a lot of smart white and asian kids are going to the 'less elite' universities; also very likely meaning the difference between the 'elite' and 'less elite' is probably a lot narrower than most people think]. To do well in a job is a very different thing: in corporate law, for example, you need to be smart commercially and be able to sell, along with having an excellent grasp of subtleties in language; in engineering and the sciences, you need that (crucial) creative streak, along with being able to write and promote yourself well. These 'top' degrees definitely aren't any sort of guarantee of being successful in a career.

The snobbery about it is quite amazing. If the kid is smart and good enough, then going to NAU, NC State, whatever...it won't make a difference long term.