Last thing
You don't even have all the info. And you don't know for sure that Stanford was offering the same deal
Possible that NC State was offering a guarantee of four of five years full scholarship with a no-cut clause
While Stanford and Notre Dame wasn't willing to make the same guarantee
So it's pretty silly to argue for something that you don't even know is true
I hope the Brojos add a "Like" button to all their upgrades.
Bradley $45k
Marquette $55k
Drake $55k
Stanford $75k
All private but much different prices. NC State is public which means that state taxpayers cover about 1/2 the cost.
Simple economics for Stanford. Acceptance rate is 5% while NC State's is 50%. That means 95% of applicants are not getting into Stanford even at $75k while only 1/2 are turned away at NC State. Sorry to present facts that you don't like. And your car analogy? If I get a $75k car for free, I can pay the tax and sell it and buy the cheap car and still have $20k while you would have accepted the cheap car. That is what Tuohy is doing while Dudek is accepting for free what 95% of the applicants are wanting to pay $75k for.
[quote]Smarter than a protein wrote:
My wife is sick over the decision.
Your wife sounds like a judgmental beeatch,
Tell her to focus on her weight .
Stopwatcher wrote:
Last thing
You don't even have all the info. And you don't know for sure that Stanford was offering the same deal
Possible that NC State was offering a guarantee of four of five years full scholarship with a no-cut clause
While Stanford and Notre Dame wasn't willing to make the same guarantee
So it's pretty silly to argue for something that you don't even know is true
I disagree with most of what you said so far. This is a fair point. Perhaps she has a full academic scholarship to NC State so she does not have to worry about an injury costing 300k.
It's not only that
Schools can guarantee athletic scholarships for 4 years
I guarantee most people here don't know that or aren't even considering that
It's possible that certain schools were willing to guarantee her a four-year ride no cut 100% tuition paid 4 years guaranteed
It's also very likely that other schools weren't willing to do this
So the fact is people are arguing stuff here without any knowledge of the actuality
No one knows for sure that Stanford or Notre Dame was willing to give her 100% scholarship. People just making that up
So all this is basically just nonsense. It's like so much of human life people just make stuff up and then they believe it. If anyone knows for sure that she had a guaranteed four-year scholarship at Stanford then that would be something to consider. But no one does so like everything else it's just people making stuff up
And you know the fine print of all these scholarship offers right?
You know for a fact that girls are getting 100% athletic scholarships to Notre Dame or Stanford
The fact is no one knows what offers they were given to what schools
I I think there's a good chance Tuohy got a four-year guaranteed scholarship to NC State
Unless anyone knows the specifics of the deal that each School offered her you might as well stop blowing smoke
This is the only point in the discussion that makes sense... no one knows for sure what scholarships were offered to what schools
Unless someone knows for sure the fine print there's no way to judge!
Geez, she did not even visit several of the schools where the knowers of all seem to think she should have gone. It could be she simply did not have interest or it could be that the indications on $ were not as good as some think. Again, none of us know her. She made her decision. If she is headed into an Engineering discipline, the school seems fine. It also seems to be a good running situation. As others have said, it probably is a good academic/athletics balance for her. Wish her success.
Interesting reactions to this discussion on a NC State forum.
The word elite comes up a lot.
Exactly good points
Man this thread was something else
People going on and on when they have no idea of the specifics of the situation
There can be big differences in what is guaranteed in any contract
Anyway just surprised in a running for on that people aren't more excited about the upside to school like NC State with a great recruiting class
Looking forward to watching how those girls do
lilli wrote:
What a joke! I'm sure she got offered a full ride at Stanford- in the top 5 universities in the USA and she chooses NC state? Weak academics. I see her doing 1 year there and going pro
You ckeaydo not know what you are talking about.
DistanceRunner14 wrote:
lilli wrote:
What a joke! I'm sure she got offered a full ride at Stanford- in the top 5 universities in the USA and she chooses NC state? Weak academics. I see her doing 1 year there and going pro
You clearly do not know what you are talking about.
spockk wrote:
quite logical
a fair comparison is a $300,000 education at Stanford/Notre Dame vs. a $200,000 education at NC State all for free.
Critical here is she wanted to stay on the East Coast so that eliminated Stanford/Notre Dame from the start.
So at NC State she gets East Coast, 8hr drive or easy/cheap flight to Raleigh for family, warm weather, friendly familiar teammates, reliable access to conference/regional/NCAA meets, and $200,000 of free school (more if 5 years).
Academically, it's her choice. If she wants to focus on running and coast in school, she has that option. Also if she wants to get the most out of academics, she can choose that route too.
Stanford and Notre Dame (and Duke and Vanderbilt ) are definitely more prestigious, but in specific majors NC State is very strong, and if she wants to later go to grad school NC State can deliver that if she performs well academically.
She had access to good advice and made a mature well thought through choice.
Great post
Smart parent wrote:
NC State doesn't develop runners. We can debate if she is faster than Dudek but it is clear which one makes better decisions.
Already proven as nonsense. And what about ALL the other top runners that are signing there?
Stopwatcher wrote:
Guys this is beyond silly
Picking a college is like picking a partner
You can't just boil it down to a formula you have to go with your gut
Obviously she clicked better with the coaching staff teammates and the overall Vibe of the program
Stanford is a great school but for whatever reason she didn't want to go out to the West Coast
Seriously you can't just force everyone into a formula.
NC State is just as good as Notre Dame and Michigan in science and technology and math which is her interests
And this whole thing about certain schools being better at developing Pros is just the luck of the draw
In other words all these top programs are basically doing the same things. They have access to the same training, the same technology, the same nutrition
It's just the luck of the drawer which kidsclick better in which environments. How certain personalities and environments mesh
I mean the amount of factors and variables is infinite
It's like stockbrokers who beat the market. Nothing to do with skill it's just pure luck
You put enough monkeys picking stocks some of them will beat the market too. You think those monkeys have some super Financial powers
I get it that some reason you guys have to have a smart top runner go to Notre Dame or Stanford or the world just doesn't make sense
But guess what five of the top 10 distance runners in class of 2020 just chose NC State
From what I've heard all them were also pretty smart girls so obviously NC State is doing something right and is offering a great opportunity
Nailed it
Ezrun wrote:
Stopwatcher wrote:
Guys this is beyond silly
Picking a college is like picking a partner
You can't just boil it down to a formula you have to go with your gut
Obviously she clicked better with the coaching staff teammates and the overall Vibe of the program
Stanford is a great school but for whatever reason she didn't want to go out to the West Coast
Seriously you can't just force everyone into a formula.
NC State is just as good as Notre Dame and Michigan in science and technology and math which is her interests
And this whole thing about certain schools being better at developing Pros is just the luck of the draw
In other words all these top programs are basically doing the same things. They have access to the same training, the same technology, the same nutrition
It's just the luck of the drawer which kidsclick better in which environments. How certain personalities and environments mesh
I mean the amount of factors and variables is infinite
It's like stockbrokers who beat the market. Nothing to do with skill it's just pure luck
You put enough monkeys picking stocks some of them will beat the market too. You think those monkeys have some super Financial powers
I get it that some reason you guys have to have a smart top runner go to Notre Dame or Stanford or the world just doesn't make sense
But guess what five of the top 10 distance runners in class of 2020 just chose NC State
From what I've heard all them were also pretty smart girls so obviously NC State is doing something right and is offering a great opportunity
Midwest is not an ideal place for a distance Runner. Weather is cold unpredictable and windy
Michigan is crazy cold
North Carolina has great weather and great running trails
Clearly she didn't want to go out west
It was a great choice. They'll have a good chance to win a National Championship. And she really likes the teammates and coaching staff
Those are the most important things.
It's a major research University. No it's not Stanford or Harvard. But it's a very well-funded school with a lot of opportunity
Yep
Experts agree wrote:
Maybe we are. There are thousands of financial planners, hiring managers, academia, coaches, parents, pros, and current NCAA runners reading this. So maybe when you see the majority making similar recommendations, they could be accurate.
Yet how many of the top talent chose NC State?
No no no wrote:
It is the opposite of picking a partner. You should spend 2 years with your partner before deciding on a lifetime commitment. Picking a college usually involves 1-2 visits and then some reflection on how it felt which many times is related to the weather that day and a few short random interactions. Most colleges feel good and the student will be happy there. So the decision should be more about lifetime opportunity post college. You see the reputation that NC State has as compared to other schools.
LMAO
About 4 made the foolish decision for next year. They are all friendly and fast which had a lot to do with the decision. Had the first one of the group chosen a different school, you may have seen the same stream in a different direction. 1 -2 good runners each year normally choose NC State but few improve. That is one of the concerns of the posters. We want Americans to improve so that they compete against the world. We want the girls to be successful.