KATELYN TUOHY TO NC STATE

You guys are all blind to everything Tuohy. What if a guy came on here trying to decide between Rutgers and Princeton? .His parents don't make much so both schools will be nearly free. His friends are going to Rutgers so he thinks he will enjoy it more there. Sure you all support his decision to attend the school because he will enjoy it more.

Late runner Phil actually described this better than I did, but the academic choice between Rutgers and Princeton is exactly the same as between NC State and Stanford. (obviously the athletic/distance running and weather comparison does not match).

If you choose Princeton for undergrad the athletic/academic balance can be brutal, while it's easier to manage at Rutgers. Similar to NC State if you graduate Rutgers at top of your class and in specific strong majors, you can still go to graduate school or industry quite well.

Money - as the ivy schools do not have athletic scholarships, the only advantage an athlete has is preferred admission, or if your family is lower income there are beyond generous financial aid packages - basically it's a full ride if family income below 100k annually.

so for

middle to upper income it's Rutgers $200k education for free vs. pay $300k for Princeton

lower income family it's Rutgers $200k for free vs. Princeton $300k for free.

Princeton also brings the advantage that if you quit running, you can stay in school still for free, as your aid is not tied to sports.

So as long as the lower income runner understands and accepts that academic life at Princeton will be difficult and competitive, then the better education and the "insurance for injury" make Princeton the logical choice.

You do not understand how academics work at the Ivies. Once admitted, you are guaranteed to graduate with a 3.0. Go to Rutgers or NC State and you have to work for your grades. The ivies fail no students. A NY sign of struggle, they get you a tutor to help with homework and writing papers and studying. Didn't the recent college scandal open anyone's eyes? Kids with 20 ACTs bought their way into top schools yet were able to graduate and get good jobs.

Ivies close the door wrote:

You do not understand how academics work at the Ivies. Once admitted, you are guaranteed to graduate with a 3.0. Go to Rutgers or NC State and you have to work for your grades. The ivies fail no students. A NY sign of struggle, they get you a tutor to help with homework and writing papers and studying. Didn't the recent college scandal open anyone's eyes? Kids with 20 ACTs bought their way into top schools yet were able to graduate and get good jobs.

Lol, there are no guarantees at the ivies or any other place. There are plenty of resources available at the ivies or nc state or wherever to get help, not just at ivies.

What kids in the recent college scandal graduated and received good jobs?

1 Ivy has been implicated, the other 7 were non-ivies.

I have an aunt who works at Princeton. She said that nobody fails, ever. The few who leave, either transfer or are just so wealthy that they get bored with it.

In the know no wrote:

I have an aunt who works at Princeton. She said that nobody fails, ever. The few who leave, either transfer or are just so wealthy that they get bored with it.

That settles the issue, thx.

Like most things that should be analyzed (home purchase, marriage, etc.), college decisions most often end up being emotional decisions.

She felt right at NC State.

Also, just because she was a "good student" in HS doesn't mean she would have achieved much at an Ivy or even Stanford, if she was in the mix for there.

Personally, I think she's close to her ceiling, but for her sake, I hope not.

If she is close to her ceiling, she should have struck while the iron is hot. She could have gotten a full ride to Stanford.

Never seen an athlete peaking for the past three years. LOLL.

The number of wannabe guidance counselors on this thread is hilarious. Bitter stuff.

I'll take a swing at it. The people in my experience that are happiest are those who set a goal and pursue it. She wants to be a runner and she sees this as the best fit for that goal. The end.

But she is missing out on some good stuff going on at Michigan -

According to Minding the Campus, Penn State University's Office of Vice Provost for Educational Equity employs 66 staff members. The University of Michigan currently employs a diversity staff of 93 full-time diversity administrators, officers, directors, vice provosts, deans, consultants, specialists, investigators, managers, executive assistants, administrative assistants, analysts and coordinators. Amherst College, with a student body of 1,800 students employs 19 diversity people. Top college diversity bureaucrats earn salaries six figures, in some cases approaching $500,000 per year. In the case of the University of Michigan, a quarter (26) of their diversity officers earn annual salaries of more than $100,000. If you add generous fringe benefits and other expenses, you could easily be talking about $13 million a year in diversity costs. The Economist reports that University of California, Berkeley, has 175 diversity bureaucrats.

Ezrun wrote:

Just curious how many athletes on the team were on full athletic scholarship?

How did the other teammates who weren't getting full athletic scholarships feel about it

Was it at all based on performance did you have to hit certain numbers to keep that scholarship full?

Females: 5

Males: 2

Other team mates never openly expressed any negative feelings about internationals on full scholarships, so I am not certain about how they felt.

For me, I was offered a full based off of competing at world championships (xc/track) as a junior. I do know that for some of the less accomplished internationals, they had to hit number to retain their scholarships.

All American Guy wrote:

We were not talking about foreigners. Yes there are a few foreigners taking a full rides at non P5 schools because they are academically inferior to American students that the non-running community has never heard of. All of the girls committed to NC State are smart which means that they will receive some type of academic aid. Most students do. Other students receive need based aid. Foreigners typically receive neither.

There are also internationals taking full rides at P5 schools. I was offered full ride at a P5 school too.

Ivies close the door wrote:

You do not understand how academics work at the Ivies. Once admitted, you are guaranteed to graduate with a 3.0. Go to Rutgers or NC State and you have to work for your grades. The ivies fail no students. A NY sign of struggle, they get you a tutor to help with homework and writing papers and studying. Didn't the recent college scandal open anyone's eyes? Kids with 20 ACTs bought their way into top schools yet were able to graduate and get good jobs.

It’s astonishing how sure of yourself you sound, yet how wrong you are. Grade inflation has grown nationwide the last few decades, but the notion that achieving a 3.0 at an Ivy is easier than a 3.0 at Rutgers or NC State is laughable. Engineering programs at several of the Ivies are notorious for unforgiving curves. Meanwhile, the average Ivy league student can sleep walk to a 3.8+ at Rutgers or NC State.

Humanities are generally Bozo Courses everywhere, even in Ivies. Engineering, which is not about feelings, not so much, anywhere.

Average grade for everyone / every class at Yale is an A - .

Gee, they're smart! and why flunk anybody out paying $65,000 a year?

While the average grade at Rutgers is B. How many Fs given in the Ivies last year? None. Those tough curves that were referenced? Yes, difficult to get an A but nobody gets worse than a C. Take engineering at a P5 and get a poor grade, you fail because they don't use a fake curve.

Dumbya of Yale wrote:

Humanities are generally Bozo Courses everywhere, even in Ivies. Engineering, which is not about feelings, not so much, anywhere.

Average grade for everyone / every class at Yale is an A - .

Gee, they're smart! and why flunk anybody out paying $65,000 a year?

How do you know what the average grade is at Yale?

Yaley no daily wrote:

https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/ivy-league/grade-inflation-yale/

old survey, yale is different now, lol

You mean more inflated now right? Used to gentlemen's C. Now it is minority's B.