KATELYN TUOHY TO NC STATE

I suggest you look at the ratings of some of NC State's schools before making a statement like that. Hmmm, For Engineering, NCSU is ranked #24, the same as Duke.

Vanderbilt - 29

Notre Dame - 47

Virginia - 41

Brown - 47

Dartmouth - 55

I don't know if any of them are Engineering majors or not but I guess you can't judge a book by it's cover or a college by it's name.

Kids often do not understand the gravity of underselling themselves in their careers.

If she indeed did have full rides to top 10 academic places, it is a mistake to turn those down. You start way behind kids graduating from those on the job market if you go elsewhere.

She may have looked at the total fit. If she found the team culture and connections poor, I can see why she chose NC State. They are located in what is probably the most desirable place for women and one of the fastest growing business centres. So, if it makes her happy, and she expects to run as a pro and then go to graduate school for medicine or something afterwards, that is fine.

Indoor? wrote:

Name 1 girl who as a top flight HS distance runner(Footlocker, NXN, etc...) who went to NC State and significantly improved. Name 1 in the last 10 years.

Name 1 NC State Runner from the last 10 years who has gone on to have a successful pro career(Place well at USATF, etc...)

I haven't really been following this thread closely, nor am I fully versed on NC State's history, but you're choosing an interesting measure of whether Tuohy's decision is a good one.

What makes you think that these are good predictors of future success? Shouldn't you look at it in reverse, i.e. pick out top female runners and look at their college choices? You probably would have been sitting here in the summer of 2000 telling all of us what a dumb choice it was for Shalane Flanagan to pick UNC given their lack of success in churning out national caliber runners or placing highly at NCAAs. And I also imagine that every school that you think fulfills your requirements (which schools are they, by the way?) would also have plenty of examples of great HS runners with lots of potential who burned out and never did anything meaningful after college.

So again, I think you're hung up on a very flawed measure of what indicates a good college choice for Tuohy.

But the odds are that she won't go pro. If she ends being a 15:40 college runner, she will be forced to get a real job. Even if she runs 15:15 in college, she won't make enough to live comfortably.

Dumb dumber wrote:

Even if these girls are intelligent, they are dumb. If they could have gone to a top school but chose NC State, they made a bad decision.

I would put $ on there being several non athletes at schools like NC State, etc. that are extremely high level students that could get into stanford, ND, etc.

THe world isn't filled with elitist douche bags.

I'm not really asking those questions in regard to Tuohy's decision. More to the NC State Fan Boys who are insistent that NC State belongs in the same conversation as a distance powerhouse as Colorado, Arkansas, Oregon, Michigan etc...

And to those who say she probably won't go pro. You are likely correct and it's easy to say that cause it's like taking the field when we know probably 1 out of 1500 makes it. BUT what do you think her goals are? Do you think her goals are to not be a pro?

But it makes sense for other students when it costs $75k for Stanford and $25k for NC State. But when both schools are free, it is a bad decision to choose the crappier school. If you win a contest today that allows you to go to your local car dealership and choose any car on the lot, do you choose a $15k car or $30k car or $75k car?

But how did these programs become powerhouses? By having a coach build a program that attracts top runners. In that case NCST is on it's way.

As to pros, she just came in second in a pro race. Will she ever win the NYC Marathon? Who knows? But she will be a professional runner.

Free bee wrote:

But it makes sense for other students when it costs $75k for Stanford and $25k for NC State. But when both schools are free, it is a bad decision to choose the crappier school. If you win a contest today that allows you to go to your local car dealership and choose any car on the lot, do you choose a $15k car or $30k car or $75k car?

Stanford is 3000 miles away. Not every 18 year old is ready for that or wants that.

Notre Dame and Michigan are the same distance. Bad decision.

Maybe she didn't want to attend a hard core leftist university.

Michigan, unc, Duke, Stanford, Colorado,nau....

runnerexpert wrote:

Smarter than a non Ivy Grad wrote:

Interesting. The Tuohy lovers will have us believe that she scored a 36 and that NC State is as good as Stanford. Could some of these girls actually be average students?

no way, they are at the top of their class, 36 ACT but really want to go to NC state just because the weather is so good in raleigh and the girls on the team are so friendly..but wait, the weather is the same at UNC and Duke, the problem is UNC and Duke have higher admission standards so maybe that is why they go to NC State..Coach Riley-Duke and Coach Miltenberg-UNC have the same weather but they have a tougher admissions dept and they both have solid running programs and proven themselves as very capable coaches

Absolutely laughable. Please show us where UNC has finished in the NCAA in the last five years.....or ever. They are not even close to the level of NCSU. And to say they wouldn't accept Tuohy is even more laughable. This is a school that accepts athletes that cannot read. Fact. This is the school that said they approve of classes that don't meet and you can turn in a plagiarized paper and get an A. This is the school that had an athlete admit they never went to a single class all semester and was on the Dean's list. Freaking hilarious.

Crappy school wrote:

Notre Dame and Michigan are the same distance. Bad decision.

She's going to school to run and enjoy nice weather. Good xc program. Good weather. BIG WIN! for her. If she wants something different out of life after that, she can apply to get into a big time grad school program.

high school xc coach wrote:

Crappy school wrote:

Notre Dame and Michigan are the same distance. Bad decision.

She's going to school to run and enjoy nice weather. Good xc program. Good weather. BIG WIN! for her. If she wants something different out of life after that, she can apply to get into a big time grad school program.

Another pointless discussion. Unless you know her you can't brand this as a "bad decision". She visited certain schools and chose to not even visit other schools. She got advice from parents, coaches, probably friends. She decided what she liked.

BTW she has said at various times she liked math and physics. That sounds like engineering. She has also said she wanted a place where she would fit into a good team situation. It sounds like NC State has something going there.

She is almost 18. Unless you are certain NC State will ruin her permanently, she has a long time ahead of her.

This is an interesting exercise.

Kate Grace - Yale

Ajee Wilson - Pro but Temple 2016

Jordan Hasay - Oregon

Shelby Houlihan - Arizona State

Jenny Simpson - Colorado

Emma Coburn - Colorado

Elle Purrier - Vermont

Emily Lipari - Villanova

Shalane Flanagan - UNC

Weini Kelati - New Mexico

Alicia Monson - Wisconsin

Karissa Schweizer - Missouri

Many ways to skin a cat.

astro wrote:

But how did these programs become powerhouses? By having a coach build a program that attracts top runners. In that case NCST is on it's way.

As to pros, she just came in second in a pro race. Will she ever win the NYC Marathon? Who knows? But she will be a professional runner.

CLUB nationals is NOT a pro race.

It had some low level pro's in the race, but would you call your local 5k a pro race if Matt Centrowitz ran it for fun?

College guy tells all wrote:

I agree. Blacks and females have privilege in college admissions and scholarships today.

good point wrote:

This is an interesting exercise.

Kate Grace - Yale

Ajee Wilson - Pro but Temple 2016

Jordan Hasay - Oregon

Shelby Houlihan - Arizona State

Jenny Simpson - Colorado

Emma Coburn - Colorado

Elle Purrier - Vermont

Emily Lipari - Villanova

Shalane Flanagan - UNC

Weini Kelati - New Mexico

Alicia Monson - Wisconsin

Karissa Schweizer - Missouri

Many ways to skin a cat.

Ajee Wilson had committed to Florida State before going pro. She trains in the Philly area and may take classes at Temple.

Purrier went to University of New Hampshire. Kelati and Monson are still in College.

oops on Purrier, I actually googled this but I guess it said from Vermont, school at UNH. Wilson graduated Temple in '16 with degree in Kinesiology, I knew Kelati and Monson were still in school.

My point was that top runners come from traditional running powers, top academic schools, and even places you would probably never think of.