Isn't Ryan Hall injecting himself with testosterone and PEDs now that he is retired and into bodybuilding? Doesn't give me much confidence that his brother is clean
Isn't Ryan Hall injecting himself with testosterone and PEDs now that he is retired and into bodybuilding? Doesn't give me much confidence that his brother is clean
Based on the GAP (grade-adjusted pace) it still would have been worth 64 low on a flat course
Wasn't he a footlocker champ, back in the day?
Yes, to answer my own question, he won Footlocker in 2006! It's in Ryan Hall's wiki page.
THE POWER OF PRAYER :)
this guy should be banned for this comment. Unreal statement.
zxcxcvz wrote:
Yes, to answer my own question, he won Footlocker in 2006! It's in Ryan Hall's wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Hall_(runner)
Or, ya know, in the first sentence of my OP.
Former Nittany Lion half miler Owen Dawson in third.
10 minutes in that calm lake is an eternity. Runners look at the minutes and think that they can just shave time off the swim. It is not that easy, especially as an adult. As for his bike leg on that course. There were some massive draft trains on that course for the age groupers with no course marshals. Give this age group his props but stop with the extrapolation that he could compete with the professionals.
zxcxcvz wrote:
Yes, to answer my own question, he won Footlocker in 2006! It's in Ryan Hall's wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Hall_(runner)
Wow that’s pretty awesome! Interesting how the 2nd best Hall at running is the only one with a footlocker title.
Outstanding athlete and excellent half ironman performance. But if he was racing in the pro pack his time would be worse by more than a few minutes.
He would have swam entirely solo the entire way and probably would have exited the water 3+ min slower than he would have drafting with the amateurs - also be that more fatigued as well.
His bike would have been slower in pro pack because he would have no slingshots off the slower amateurs - unless it was a loop course. It would be a solo ride mostly.
His run, he'd be slower because of all the 'catch up' on the swim and bike he would be have been required to do.
Just FWIW, Lionel Sanders' strength on the bike exceeds any of the US riders. I really think if he would have entered the US TT championship (although he is Canadian) I really do think he'd win on a non technical course. This guy is a machine. If triathlon was an actual no draft sport on the swim and bike (yes they do have a 20 meter draft which certainly helps), if that didn't exist, he along with Cam Wurf are easily going to win every single triathlon in my opinion.
Also, I think Chad is actually living the pro athlete lifestyle. 4:01 on a fast course, not exactly impressed. I'm more impressed by the 1:03 half hands down.
Opinionated guy wrote:
Refeffdvfd wrote:
Long story short, you don’t simply check a box on an entry form.
"Check a box" was meant to be facetious, but with the state of running, cycling, swimming, etc., maybe not.
Thanks for the info on the needed pro card.
Being a "pro" in triathlon is a title only. All you have to do is have a couple decent finishes and check a box. When people who have never done a triathlon can up and do one and be a "pro" by the end of the year, you not it's not anything legitimate.
It is genuinely just a title.
Chad has had this within him for years but for some reason just didn’t want all the crap his brother went through. He could have gone sub 13 and sub 27:30 but chose his own identity and the un natural results of making his body do what it wasn’t optimally designed to do. He is a tremendous athlete and like the Ingbro-steins, has the brotherly genetics to do the business on a world class level but it’s been his choice!
Buster Cherry wrote:
Based on the GAP (grade-adjusted pace) it still would have been worth 64 low on a flat course
No. He ran 63-High, how can a 711 foot drop only be equal 10 or 15 seconds to get to 64-Low?
Oh, and his "opening" 5K was 13:44.
Chad works out nonstop. Several hours each day either running, road cycling, or mountain cycling. Several hours a day is by no means an exaggeration.
63 minutes for a half on a downhill course is not surprising. A flat course he would probably be 66-67 minutes for the half marathon. Which should also not be surprising for someone with his natural talent who runs or bikes for several hours a day. His biggest mistake in life was transferring to UCR. Perhaps it was for family reasons, but it ruined his running career.
Rghj wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Also it wasn't a RnR
...and the net elevation drop was not 600 feet, but 711 feet...
Nope. Just checked Google Earth Pro with the terrain turned on. Has very good elevation data, you can even trace the height of houses and overpasses with it. Start was at 630 ft, finish 12 ft, so the net is 618 ft +/- maybe 1-2 ft.
711 ft is about the elevation of the highest point in the course, but you have to climb about 80 ft in the first 1.2 miles to get there first.
I know chad and have a hard time believing he can run 1:03 knowing how little time he's devoted to running now for many years. He mostly cycles, and I don't believe cycling translates to that fast of running.
He also raced a trail half last weekend w/ 1600 ft of elevation gain in Los Olivos, CA. 2nd to Andy Wacker, but he beat Ben Bruce. https://www.athlinks.com/event/317204/results/Event/863056/Course/1617037/Results
https://www.zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=142265yes!
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Just FWIW, Lionel Sanders' strength on the bike exceeds any of the US riders. I really think if he would have entered the US TT championship (although he is Canadian) I really do think he'd win on a non technical course. This guy is a machine. If triathlon was an actual no draft sport on the swim and bike (yes they do have a 20 meter draft which certainly helps), if that didn't exist, he along with Cam Wurf are easily going to win every single triathlon in my opinion.
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That statement about Lionel is quite extreme. He is very good, but he only came 20th on the zwift Canadian Championship, so I doubt that he is the best US cyclist.
buckydent wrote:
I know chad and have a hard time believing he can run 1:03 knowing how little time he's devoted to running now for many years. He mostly cycles, and I don't believe cycling translates to that fast of running.
OP here. Your comment agrees with my original point (that got derailed by tri-geeks).
My point is: 1:03 is incredible for someone who BARELY runs. I follow him on Strava, and unless I am missing tons of his running or he does not upload his running to Strava, this guy runs 0-5 miles per week.
I see tons of cycling and not much else.
I was a D1 runner and became a competitive CAT 2 cyclist in my 20s and 30s. When I was riding a ton and not running much, running was horrible! 7 minute miles were painful. Cycling did NOT equal fast running. It made my legs thicker and heavier.
Obviously I was not as talented as Hall at running, but no matter how much cross training he does, to run 1:03 off of basically NO running is massively impressive, net downhill be damned!
Ryan getting back in running shape, Chad running fast again.....the HALLS ARE BACK BABY!!