"Hundreds" of Nike employees walk out to protest re-opening of Salazar Building

solid thinking wrote:

yeah real solid there wrote:

Oh come on, you are excusing silence about sweat shops from these employees by suggesting 'you can't protest everything' and you know it.

And I never said anything about negating, it isn't negating, it is ignoring. The idea here is that people are walking out over AS but nobody is walking out in protest of sweat shops. So like I said, the implication is obvious. Only first world problems are worth protesting over apparently.

It is absurd to say that one can't protest Salazar unless they protest sweat shops. That's illogical. How can you argue otherwise?

"And I never said anything about negating"

...

"Let’s protest the abuse of middle class white women and negate the poor brown one who is making the shoes."

It is not absurd, because in an absolute moral view, it is worse to subjugate people to inhumane working conditions so that we can buy shoes for $100...compared with someone who got their feelings hurt.

You do believe in right and wrong, dont you? If that is true, then logically, you hold an absolute-ist moral view, not a relativistic moral view. And if that is true, then it is true that there are some things that are worse than others, hence the previous poster's accurate comment.

You cant play the absolutist and relativistic card simultaneously, which is why it is not absurd to call out the hypocrisy of protesting a 1st world problem while not calling out other atrocities occuring in the same realm.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

#AlbertoDopingCheatAndTerribleHumanBeing

FTFY

What is the hypocrisy by these individuals? You are showing your ignorance. Outspokenly criticizing A doesn't mean that you have to outspokenly criticize everything morally worse than A. That's ludicrous.

Your defense is analogous to someone bemoaning a group promoting colon cancer awareness because breast cancer is a bigger issue.

sleazazar wrote:

Bullet_Proof wrote:

#AlbertoDopingCheatAndTerribleHumanBeing

FTFY

Indeed! Drug cheats out. Fortunately Nike disbanded NOP, finally.

Well then good thing I never said one cannot protest X without protesting Y but good try. People can protest whatever they want. In this case, these employees chose to protest a building dedication to AS. They did NOT now or ever in the past walk out over the use of sweat shops (essentially slavery) ergo they are ignoring, not negating, ignoring that issue entirely and only taking issue with AL, a completely first world problem. Do you require further explanation? Its really quite simple. .

I appreciate what you are saying, but it really isn't that simple. You do have to admit, the ENTIRE athletic shoe and clothing industry is based on a global supply chain in which the workers at one end receive the least. So its not as if we runners can just "boycott Nike" and say, buy Adidas, and eliminate sweatshops. Even New Balance only assembles some of its shoes in the U.S. , while the materials its assembling its shoes out of, AND a majority of its shoes are manufactured in Asia, presumably in the same type of facilities as Nike.

While recognizing that its totally unjust in a kind of big picture way, that the workers are not getting much of a wage out of their labor, I don't see employee protests or consumer boycotts changing the system that much. The last consumer protest in the 1990s shamed Nike into eliminating its subcontractors who were the worst abusers, but I think that's about all these protests can do. (By the way, while I'm not quarreling that conditions at these subcontracting factories in general are not good, I don't think ALL of them are "essentially slavery." There are some that are better than others, and employ people in ways that don't just exploit them, but give them more of an opportunity than they have otherwise.)

Therefore, I think its fine to keep bringing the issue up, because maybe it will force Nike to put more pressure on its global manufacturing "partners" and alleviate the situation somewhat. But in the end, protesters can be a lot more successful in getting Nike to change the name of a building than they could getting the company to restructure their entire manufacturing model.

Now whether its worth the time or trouble to protest a building name is another matter, but if I were Nike execs, I'd wait a little bit, and quietly change the name to the Allyson Felix building, and that way silence two controversies with one building name!

Don't know if anybody on here is bashing the employees, but it's LRC so that wouldn't be surprising. Kudos to them for staging a walk out when Nike is a notorious anti-union type employer. They have very few protections and some may be targeted, disciplined, or fired. After the protest, they were hit with a reminder that they shouldn't talk to the press.

For a company who can market a shoe to everybody running a marathon, you would think that someone would hold off on this sort of thing. Sure, I think Salazar is a scumbag & wouldn't name anything after him, but with the doping & sexual abuse stuff going on, you might just put this on hold for a few years and see what public opinion is like. Really no reason to do this. If Salazar is found guilty, they can distance from him even if they told him they were planning to name a building after him. They would have had the cover to tell him they were delaying now & the cover to not do it in the future. Who would have protested if it got leaked that they weren't gonna name a building after him? An oversight by their PR team.

Solid thinker, you are an idiot, seriously. The point which you refuse to even glance at is that the women aren’t protesting because they genuinely care, they’re doing it ONLY because it’s easy for them to do and it won’t inconvienence their lives, and hey, they get a day off work

Right. You call women a breed of cattle but it is I who is the idiot. That’s rich.

"Sexual abuse"? Wtf are you talking about, man?

Everybody should back up and discuss the question of how the hell a building at Nike was ever named for Salazar in the first place.

Never mind all the accusations. I can't think of anything Salazar did as an athlete that makes him deserving over dozens of other athletes sponsored by Nike over the decades.

Yeah, there is the matter of breaking the world record for the marathon. And he was with Nike close to the very beginning. Nike likes to reward those athletes with them in the early days before anyone heard of Michael Jordan.

But remember, Salazar is also pretty famous for burning out fast. Its pretty clear his insane volume of training that made him great also helped make him a bust at a time when he should have been in his prime. Its one thing to honor sacrifice for athletic achievement. Its another thing to honor obsessiveness and not very smart training practices. Even decades ago Salazar was known for that.

At the same time I think of all the Nike athletes who don't have Nike buildings named after them. Admittedly I don't know who they are. But I can do the math. I know Nike has sponsored way more amazing, great athletes over the years than they have buildings.

Ryan Foreman wrote:

I can't think of anything Salazar did as an athlete that makes him deserving over dozens of other athletes sponsored by Nike over the decades.

volume of training that made him great

At the same time I think of all the Nike athletes who don't have Nike buildings named after them. Admittedly I don't know who they are.

So you "can't think of anything Salazar did as an athlete that makes him deserving" but he's "great" and you can't come up with one name of a Nike athlete who could/should have a building named after them. Interesting.

Oh yeah, I wonder if his coaching prowess and the setting up of the NOP had anything to do with it too.

Perhaps it’s because Dick Beardsley was wearing New Balance?

Did any Pro runners sponsored by Nike join the protest?

Nike?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrfZSrCB7jg

Where is the loyalty to a co-worker who may have screwed up? No, you don't have to approve of his actions, but please, leave the destruction of this otherwise good man (father, husband, Olympian, coach) to the usual vultures in the media.

If women allow bad work cultures to persist at every company theyre a part of, they would just get worse and more ubiquitous and there wouldn’t be anywhere to go. This isn’t virtue signaling at all.

Lol no loyalty to a banned coach and Abusive person. How dare they

9098 wrote:

may have screwed up?

this otherwise good man

A cheat, a choleric, an abuser - where is the goodness?