Saucony's Carbon fibre plate shoe coming out on June

Thanks for the advice, we're doing fine

Why TF is it taking all of these brands so long to put these Vaporfly competitors out there? Saucony's in June, Brooks' in July. Adidas doesn't even seem to be trying. Hoka put one out pretty quick, and it's the smallest of all of these companies.

For some industries, companies do very well if they are first to enter the market with a certain product. Sometimes it's better to sit and learn from the mistakes of the first few companies and then create an even better product. Sometimes it's best to sit and let the fad die off and be glad you didn't waste a ton of money. It all depends on the company's business strategies and the market they are trying to reach. Something to even think about is that racing flats represent a very small percentage of sales in the shoe market. So, for example, let's take Brooks and Nike. Nike tends to be first to the market and caters to more of the elite type of athlete. Brooks doesn't focus on first to market and they cater more towards the casual runner. Are the carbon plate shoes the future of racing shoes or will it die off like minimalist shoes?

So it takes 3 years for Saucony to come up with a Vaporfly copycat. And heavier too. That is not how innovation should work. All these brands have already lost the war with nike and should get ready for the next one.

Make something innovative and new just like Nike did three years ago!

Maybe they don't want to go with war with Nike in the small market of racing shoes? Also is an ounce heavier all that bad? What if the shoes weigh more but are way more durable and last longer? Who knows? It takes a ton of money for a company to make a shoe so why rush to make a bad product like the Carbon X.

HolyPrick wrote:

So it takes 3 years for Saucony to come up with a Vaporfly copycat. And heavier too. That is not how innovation should work. All these brands have already lost the war with nike and should get ready for the next one.

Make something innovative and new just like Nike did three years ago!

Didn’t it take Nike like 4-5 years to respond to Boost? And they still only have one shoe that uses zoomx, unlike adidas who has all sorts of trainers and racers with their fancy foam. Let’s not make it seem like Nike is the only one to ever innovate.

It won't be faster, or even as fast as what Nike has already put out. But I'll get the non-pro version instead of any Nike option when I start racing again.

Yeah but what Nike did is something new compared to boost. They did not just make a cheap version of it.. That's my issue..

About time! Interested to see Adidas/Brooks options. NB has a shoe as well. I had heard good things about Hoka Carbon X. Vaporfly's seem to be amazing but Nike is so good at marketing. It'll be interesting to see if these other shoes stack up.

Will Saucony run into any problems if their athletes wear these at the Trials since they're not available to everyone? Nike got a pass, will be interesting to see how USATF plays things in February.

The Saucony and Brooks will be available to anyone running the Olympic Trials.

I'm a buyer for the new Saucony Endorphin Pro! F^CK Nike!

According to what? How would a trials runner get a pair?

"Are the carbon plate shoes the future of racing shoes or will it die off like minimalist shoes?" - The future is the effect, not necessarily the carbon plate. In the future we see different materials, old and new and novel methods of creating shoes that offer distinct benefits. The carbon plate is right on the way to the best kinds of running shoes.

a swedish mf here. just thinkin out loud...

maybe the other brands (in this case saucony) were waitin to see if the iaaf were to ban the shoes or not...

just holding their horses a bit...otherwise i also think its a too little too late to rephrase american singer jojo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8LIRtPnuA8

its what u do. not what u say....

but with this said...will be exciting to see what saucony can bring to the table.

lets roll the dice!

oliverbrown wrote:

a swedish mf here. just thinkin out loud...

maybe the other brands (in this case saucony) were waitin to see if the iaaf were to ban the shoes or not...

just holding their horses a bit...otherwise i also think its a too little too late to rephrase american singer jojo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8LIRtPnuA8

its what u do. not what u say....

but with this said...will be exciting to see what saucony can bring to the table.

lets roll the dice!

its what u do. not what u say....

This is how you judge Aberto Salazar.

Both Saucony and Brooks will make their carbon shoes available for the trials. I'd reach out to your local store to connect with a rep.

I hear vibram has a carbon plated shoe coming wrote:

HolyPrick wrote:

So it takes 3 years for Saucony to come up with a Vaporfly copycat. And heavier too. That is not how innovation should work. All these brands have already lost the war with nike and should get ready for the next one.

Make something innovative and new just like Nike did three years ago!

Didn’t it take Nike like 4-5 years to respond to Boost? And they still only have one shoe that uses zoomx, unlike adidas who has all sorts of trainers and racers with their fancy foam. Let’s not make it seem like Nike is the only one to ever innovate.

Nikes answer to that was react foam not zoom x. Boost is old hat now and the adios and Boston were the only models they made that were actually good(they ruined both shoes this year). Saucony went ahead and copied boost with everun and since then they've tanked. It looks like they are heading in the right direction with the new Triumph and Freedom but who knows. Also good luck trying on those Endorphin Pros as the company is trying to make stores carry the two lower end models if they want the Pros too. That's not happening.

Nike didn't make anything innovative and new... they just perfected other brands old technology. Do your research.

coming out it june? sheeesh i mean im not trying to bash on this "courageous" decision, but i think "coming out" wasnt that big of a deal anymore? now its got to be told way in advance...so shoes are a good 20yrs behind the times...im waiting for the gender fluid racers that nike is sure to make, i dont care that much about some saucony "coming out" party, how cliche its prob going to be live in san fran or on the ellen degeneres show

The Hoka Carbon X is a good shoe, it just doesn't serve the same purpose as the VF. The Carbon X is made for ultras and also serves for slower training runs. The VF is a pure racing shoe for 5k to 26.2.

Who knows what this Saucony shoe will be like. If they have got the foam and the plate working together then it's great for their sponsored athletes. But there's a few shoes where the plate isn't much more than a gimmick, like the various Zoom Fly's. My guess is that the Endorphin will be a rival to the Zoom Fly rather than the VF.