Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Sounds like it goes against all the common knowledge of the sport. Are you doing ultras?
Ddjdjddkd wrote:
Sounds like it goes against all the common knowledge of the sport. Are you doing ultras?
Nah I'm a middle distance runner but I'd be interested to hear how this diet would effect all kinds of runners (ie Sprinters, Mid, Long, Ultra)
Works for me.
Science tells me that everything is converted into the fuel your body needs after you eat it anyway, so why eat carbohydrates?
Mid-day news items, back to back:
Story lamenting below average potato crop, showing potatoes and fries, sad that fries may be more scarce / expensive.
Story about 1 in 4 adolescents are pre-diabetic, showing teenagers with big potbellies.
Chicago’s Very Own 9 wrote:
Mid-day news items, back to back:
Story lamenting below average potato crop, showing potatoes and fries, sad that fries may be more scarce / expensive.
Story about 1 in 4 adolescents are pre-diabetic, showing teenagers with big potbellies.
what
I think this person thinks those 2 stories together are ironic or something. Whats ironic though is thinking fries are bad because of carbs and not the oil they are fried in. Its the fat dumbies, not carbs. Funny how entire populations throughout the world subsisted on mostly potatoes with no health consequences.
The ONLY oils worth using are avocado and olive.
High fat/high carb is the killer. Mix that with vegetable oils, and there you go.
Choose either high carb, or zero carb. Zero carb is easier once on it, but harder to get to. Fat is not the killer. Failure to realize what the wrong oil is, that and carb/fat diets are bad, is.
Yes, high fat and high carb is the real problem. But I think its personal what is harder or easier. As someone with a sweet tooth high fat low carb was absolute torture of a diet. And as far as running was concerned, I became much slower as I lost a lot of top end speed. So for me a higher carb lower fat balanced diet is the most sustainable.
true true wrote:
Yes, high fat and high carb is the real problem. But I think its personal what is harder or easier. As someone with a sweet tooth high fat low carb was absolute torture of a diet. And as far as running was concerned, I became much slower as I lost a lot of top end speed. So for me a higher carb lower fat balanced diet is the most sustainable.
For me I found that keto/low carb was a struggle much of the time, as I was "teasing" my body with 25-50g carb/day. Kind of like an alcoholic trying to wean off by having one or a half a drink/day. Plus I was still eating big salads with tons of fiber and the toxins found in greens. Once I got off plants altogether and now only have five bananas/week + tea for my plant intake, it got better in many ways. For one it finally killed my sweet tooth. The bananas I eat with sour cream for flavor but I eat one and that is plenty at a sitting. For someone else they might have go absolute zero carb to clinch it.
All training, sleep, recovery went to optimal levels. This includes everything including power, speed endurance, aerobic endurance, muscle recovery and plyometric work. No shortage of glycogen and of course nutrients or ketones. I do take in various salts for electrolyte balance as well.
I don't rarely eat grassfed but have started eating a can of small cold-water fish every day for omega 3 and that seems to help a LOT, as does fasting 24-48 hours at least twice/week. This last week I set training PRs across the board for my post-50 year old self (so the best in 13 years).
Dr. Shawn Baker has started a web community with lots of both free and pay resources:
https://meatrx.com/That’s very interesting to hear. I did a very low carb diet over the summer to lose weight which worked but I was worried about lacking the energy to complete intensive workouts in season without carbs. Can you think of any drawbacks of your diet?
YMMV wrote:
All training, sleep, recovery went to optimal levels. This includes everything including power, speed endurance, aerobic endurance, muscle recovery and plyometric work. No shortage of glycogen and of course nutrients or ketones. I do take in various salts for electrolyte balance as well.
This last week I set training PRs across the board for my post-50 year old self (so the best in 13 years).
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Optimal levels? Ok, chief, why not give us some numbers/times for the "optimal levels".
BTW, it is endlessly funny that you people think you need to take electrolytes when you quit carbs. It's like you can't help being so obviously outrageously stupid. The fasters think they need that too. Yup, primitive man didn't need to eat but they carried around bags of magnesium, potassium, sodium, etc. to replenish their electrolytes all day. Too damn funny.
I think the main drawback is just the effort it takes to focus on getting whole food animal foods only, and ignoring everything else. This is not like veganism where 70-80% of Standard American Diet is already plant-based, so you can still eat most of the (unhealthy) foods you are already addicted to. I am the only carnivore in the house or work so there are all kinds of treats and plant-based foods everywhere but to me they are just objects not food (this is easier for me as I have avoided processed foods of any kind for decades).
There is some social pushback, but anyone that knows me knows I am always tweaking my training and lifestyle so it's no big shock, and since I am much healthier, if anything some people have shown support or at least curiosity. Of course I always hear "I could never give up beer/pizza/personal junk addiction!". After decades of being a daily drinker, even on keto, I lost all taste for alcohol once I went "full monty".
Basically you pay up front in terms of discipline and any metabolic adjustments (I got "keto flu" for a month at the beginning since I didn't know about the electrolyte drain 5 years ago when I transitioned), but the payoff is every one of at least 20 nagging health problems has resolved. The energy levels are not as roller coaster, so the highs are not as mainc but there are no more "cratering" lows either, just a nice flow all around.
I actually have reduced my grocery bill a bit, depending on what I can get on special and keep in a freezer. The good thing for runners is that just like endurance training, where patience and consistency pays off. I am excited to see the long-term results as I fully nourish my system after a lifetime of sugar/plant toxin abuse.
Agree wholeheartedly with YMMV. Bonus points if >75% of your diet is raw red meat.
Not only is raw red meat delicious, it is also scientifically proven to be the optimal human diet. In addition, in contrast to veggies, raw red meat has NO CARCINOGENS!!!
If you are disciplined with this diet, you will succeed.
optimal levels wrote:
YMMV wrote:
All training, sleep, recovery went to optimal levels. This includes everything including power, speed endurance, aerobic endurance, muscle recovery and plyometric work. No shortage of glycogen and of course nutrients or ketones. I do take in various salts for electrolyte balance as well.
This last week I set training PRs across the board for my post-50 year old self (so the best in 13 years).
/
Optimal levels? Ok, chief, why not give us some numbers/times for the "optimal levels".
BTW, it is endlessly funny that you people think you need to take electrolytes when you quit carbs. It's like you can't help being so obviously outrageously stupid. The fasters think they need that too. Yup, primitive man didn't need to eat but they carried around bags of magnesium, potassium, sodium, etc. to replenish their electrolytes all day. Too damn funny.
Our ancestors consumed the blood and organs of fresh kills for electrolytes, and/or had local sources, just as wild animals do. Taking in a few tablespoons of salt/day is not a huge effort. Anyone eating a processed SAD diet will consume as much as I typically do. Asians consume far more than I do, except maybe on heavy sweating days.
As a vegan/vegetarian, or even WFPB, I had so many nutrient deficiencies it makes my head spin how I could even function (often I didn't).
Libertarian Centrist wrote:
Not only is raw red meat delicious, it is also scientifically proven to be the optimal human diet. In addition, in contrast to veggies, raw red meat has NO CARCINOGENS!!!
If you are disciplined with this diet, you will succeed.
In case you are being facetious:
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/06/13/9999-pesticides-we-eat-are-produced-plants-themselves-11415"Thus, it is probable that almost every fruit and vegetable in the supermarket contains natural plant pesticides that are rodent carcinogens. The levels of these... rodent carcinogens in the above plants are commonly thousands of times higher than the levels of synthetic pesticides."
YMMV wrote:
Our ancestors consumed the blood and organs of fresh kills for electrolytes, and/or had local sources, just as wild animals do. Taking in a few tablespoons of salt/day is not a huge effort. Anyone eating a processed SAD diet will consume as much as I typically do. Asians consume far more than I do, except maybe on heavy sweating days.
As a vegan/vegetarian, or even WFPB, I had so many nutrient deficiencies it makes my head spin how I could even function (often I didn't).
Our ancestors lived very short lives. Why would you want to emulate the diet of people whose life expectancy was less than 40 years?
Obviously do what you like, but if you want to run fast you need to eat carbs. If you are content running a lot slower than you could be, go ahead and don't eat carbs. But, you should be posting your advice on "letsjog".
YMMV wrote:
Libertarian Centrist wrote:
Not only is raw red meat delicious, it is also scientifically proven to be the optimal human diet. In addition, in contrast to veggies, raw red meat has NO CARCINOGENS!!!
If you are disciplined with this diet, you will succeed.
In case you are being facetious:
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/06/13/9999-pesticides-we-eat-are-produced-plants-themselves-11415"Thus, it is probable that almost every fruit and vegetable in the supermarket contains natural plant pesticides that are rodent carcinogens. The levels of these... rodent carcinogens in the above plants are commonly thousands of times higher than the levels of synthetic pesticides."
Glad to see another convert to the RRD (raw red meat diet)!
M.A.G.A.
I dont necessarily think that the low carb diet will make me slower if I'm eating an abundance of healthy fats. I ended up running a lot faster in workouts than I ever could over the summer but it might have been due to the drop in weight. At the same time, however, if a low carb diet can keep me at my optimal race weight wouldn't that be more sufficient? I find it much harder to maintain my weight on a regular diet (On my regular diet I track calories so it isnt an "eat whatever I want diet").