What is the nest way to train to improve in every distance?

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You wouldn't want to race many marathons if you want to maintain the other levels of performance for shorter distances.

You would want to run many paces in training.

You would want to run high volume sessions.

XC training focusing on strength. Than adjust to your short term goals for 8 weeks out from your goal race.

5k training has good crossover for everything 800- 1/2 Marathon.

Marathon is an entirely different beast though. It's akin to trying to run a good 400 off 5k training.

Explainer wrote:

5k training has good crossover for everything 800- 1/2 Marathon.

Marathon is an entirely different beast though. It's akin to trying to run a good 400 off 5k training.

You don't think a 5K specialist doing 100+mpw in base and 80-100mpw in season couldn't run a respectable marathon off that type of training?

XC training FTW!!!! wrote:

XC training focusing on strength. Than adjust to your short term goals for 8 weeks out from your goal race.

Tempos, threshold work, and fartleks can get you considerably stronger in multiple aspects of running. If hypothetically someone trying to race an 800 started ripping 200s 8 weeks out from their race after doing mainly strength stuff, would they see considerable improvement? What would some of the transitional workouts look like?

.ff wrote:

You wouldn't want to race many marathons if you want to maintain the other levels of performance for shorter distances.

You would want to run many paces in training.

You would want to run high volume sessions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is Lydiard type training, right?

Well......training the smartest way you go for 5k/ 10 k .....there is really no difference in that smartest way . When it comes to half/ marathon the only real difference then is the specific long run. When going for 800/ 1500/ mile you just add specific race pace repetitions and faster work. It's really easy to do if you know how to do it the best way.

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train smarter wrote:

Explainer wrote:

5k training has good crossover for everything 800- 1/2 Marathon.

Marathon is an entirely different beast though. It's akin to trying to run a good 400 off 5k training.

You don't think a 5K specialist doing 100+mpw in base and 80-100mpw in season couldn't run a respectable marathon off that type of training?

It might be respectable, but I'd wager it would be nowhere close to their potential.

It should be obvious that the farther away you get from the specific event you are training for the more degradation you will see in performance. A properly trained 5k runner won't have the anaerobic components needed for a good 400 (or likely even 800) and they shouldn't have the long sustained runs needed for a great marathon.

Explainer wrote:

train smarter wrote:

You don't think a 5K specialist doing 100+mpw in base and 80-100mpw in season couldn't run a respectable marathon off that type of training?

It might be respectable, but I'd wager it would be nowhere close to their potential.

It should be obvious that the farther away you get from the specific event you are training for the more degradation you will see in performance. A properly trained 5k runner won't have the anaerobic components needed for a good 400 (or likely even 800) and they shouldn't have the long sustained runs needed for a great marathon.

Frank Shorter and Charlie Spedding basically just trained for the marathon like they would for the 10k.

train smarter wrote:

XC training FTW!!!! wrote:

XC training focusing on strength. Than adjust to your short term goals for 8 weeks out from your goal race.

Tempos, threshold work, and fartleks can get you considerably stronger in multiple aspects of running. If hypothetically someone trying to race an 800 started ripping 200s 8 weeks out from their race after doing mainly strength stuff, would they see considerable improvement? What would some of the transitional workouts look like?

Basically sounds like how a lot of strength based 800 runners train. Build up your strength and 8-12 weeks out start doing more 800 specific work outs. If you keep in touch with your speed 2-3 times a week year round w/ some strides & short hill sprints, one should be good.

Just need some specific long runs thrown in wrote:

Explainer wrote:

It might be respectable, but I'd wager it would be nowhere close to their potential.

It should be obvious that the farther away you get from the specific event you are training for the more degradation you will see in performance. A properly trained 5k runner won't have the anaerobic components needed for a good 400 (or likely even 800) and they shouldn't have the long sustained runs needed for a great marathon.

Frank Shorter and Charlie Spedding basically just trained for the marathon like they would for the 10k.

But just as your user name suggests, its the specific long runs that separate being able to run a good marathon vs just doing a marathon.

use twigs and sticks

Explainer wrote:

train smarter wrote:

You don't think a 5K specialist doing 100+mpw in base and 80-100mpw in season couldn't run a respectable marathon off that type of training?

It might be respectable, but I'd wager it would be nowhere close to their potential.

It should be obvious that the farther away you get from the specific event you are training for the more degradation you will see in performance. A properly trained 5k runner won't have the anaerobic components needed for a good 400 (or likely even 800) and they shouldn't have the long sustained runs needed for a great marathon.

Yes, I understand that you should have specificity in training, meaning if you want to run a faster 400, train for the 400. But I am saying that for the case of an underdeveloped runner who is looking to improve in multiple distances, I think 5K training would yield the best range of results down from the 1500 up to at least half-marathon

train smarter wrote:

Explainer wrote:

5k training has good crossover for everything 800- 1/2 Marathon.

Marathon is an entirely different beast though. It's akin to trying to run a good 400 off 5k training.

You don't think a 5K specialist doing 100+mpw in base and 80-100mpw in season couldn't run a respectable marathon off that type of training?

You will probably have to gallowalk. The marathon is a totally different beast. You should talk to my coworker Jen who has run 4 marathons so far.

how to nest wrote:

use twigs and sticks

+1

Oh...now I get it!

Build a base while doing pure speed 2x a week. Improve fitness from distances 60 meters all the way up to 60 kilometres. ;)