I feel like my 1/2 M should be much quicker considering I just ripped my local 10k trot in 39:34. What the hell can I do the next 2 months to break 3 in the marathon? Do these times mean I have some speed but lack requisite endurance?
Basically should I just do tempo runs and easy long runs til marathon in february?
When did you run your last half? You should be able to do about a 1:26 based off of that 10k.
You should get the Daniels Formula book and training off of that, that way you aren't guessing what to do for each workout. But I wouldn't just do tempos and easy long runs. You'd still get benefits from doing intervals at 5k and 10k pace. And the long runs should incorporate a good bit of marathon paced efforts.
You arent going to break 3. Readjust your goal.
Context is king wrote:
When did you run your last half? You should be able to do about a 1:26 based off of that 10k.
Right? Effort was made in both races, I just can't believe I can do 6:20 miles for 6 miles but can only manage 7:15 miles for 13?
The 1/2 M race was exactly 4 weeks prior to Thanksgiving. Think I will rip off some v02 workouts this week and race an 8k or 3k this saturday. Tempos and long runs all December. Another half marathon early january before starting the taper towards early feb marathon.
Free_the_thigh wrote:
You arent going to break 3. Readjust your goal.
This would be dishonorable.
Since your half is recent I would agree with the other that you need to readjust your goal. Maybe shoot for sub 3:15 and work down from there. It's a long journey. The sub 3 will come but realistically not this soon. Keep us updated on your training and how the lead up races go for you!
If I can run 250 miles in December without getting injured I think I can break 3. It just seems silly to no have sub 3 capability when I've got a couple day old 39:34 10k pr and a 4:52 mile pr 3 months ago.
screwed for marathon? wrote:
If I can run 250 miles in December without getting injured I think I can break 3. It just seems silly to no have sub 3 capability when I've got a couple day old 39:34 10k pr and a 4:52 mile pr 3 months ago.
If you are serious and have run 4:52 / 39:34 / 1:33 recently, then there is no way one month is going to allow you to run sub 3. You have some pretty bad speed fall off. In one six month period I was 5:30 / 39:20 / 1:26 / 3:04:00 and I have no natural speed or ability (40 mpw).
Not sure how you would adjust training, but it definitely needs to be geared towards strength and not speed.
Euther Your 10k race was short course or your 1/2 blows. Whats ur last 6 months mileage and most recent pb?
Regardless of what you ran in the half, that 10k time doesn't indicate a sub 3 anyway. Most folks are about a minute faster in the 10k when they break 3.
Sorry, but there isn't anything you can do in 2 months to change that. You say ran a 4:52 mile recently, depending on your age, that's rather impressive. Focus on shorter stuff. The marathon isn't all it's made out to be.
Free_the_thigh wrote:
You arent going to break 3. Readjust your goal.
This.
Unless you healthily lose like A LOT of weight and still manage to get a decent training block in.
145(june) / 175 / 130 / 130 / 105 / 175 (nov)
Ran the 10k-39:34 on thursday.
What are some strength workouts? Is that essentially longer tempos and hilly long runs? Sorry I don't know a lot about training; im on month 13 of running. 26 yo male.
stil_kannonier wrote:
145(june) / 175 / 130 / 130 / 105 / 175 (nov)
Ran the 10k-39:34 on thursday.
What are some strength workouts? Is that essentially longer tempos and hilly long runs? Sorry I don't know a lot about training; im on month 13 of running. 26 yo male.
I'm assuming that's miles per month? If so, that's pretty low. I don't think sub-3 is a realistic goal for you in a month or two. Next fall, totally possible.
Also, jumping to 250 miles in a month could prove detrimental to your training. You might be OK, but you also might ruin your chances of even getting to the start line.
Is this your first marathon? If so, I'd just keep doing similar training to I've been doing, then on race day I'd go out at maybe 7:10 to 7:20 pace and see what happens after mile 20.
Or, you could look for another half to run in the next 3 to 5 weeks and see how well that goes. It could help you dial in your time goal a bit more and give you some more racing experience.
Mile races and marathons are different ball games.
Like another response, you have great speed but lack strength. It takes a long time to develop aerobic endurance.
How old are you? I have high school athletes who can go from off the couch to about a 5 minute mile in 2-3 months. But they wouldn't be able to go sub 1:30 in half because they don't run in the off season.
If the 1:35 pace was a hard effort, I don't think you could do that for a full marathon in such a short amount of time. It's a great long term goal.
Also another great question already asked is how much have you been running per week this last few months? Don't increase too soon.
You seem ambition, which is wonderful. Running requires patients and discipline. Just be smart and take a long term look at where you want to go.
13th month of training...I would say calm down. Going to 250 a month is probably way too big of a jump. You could keep the mileage roughly the same as a 170 a month and work on different intensities (marathon, half vs speed) and have better results then to make a huge jump to 250 a month.
I would base your marathon training off of your half marathon time. That's a better indicator of what you'll do in a full marathon than your mile or 10k time. If 1:35 was tough then 3:15 would be tough for a full.
Another context question would be what were your splits in the 10k? If you progressively got slower per mile in the 10k race that would be another red flag that sub 3 is too big of a goal now.
6:09 / 6:27 / 6:25 / 6:09 / 6:35 / 6:11 my mile splits are not very even obviously.
but my 5k splits were consistent, 19:46 / 19:48.
If I slow down my 1st mile and speed up my 5th mile, maybe overall I'm sub 39?
screwed for marathon? wrote:
I feel like my 1/2 M should be much quicker considering I just ripped my local 10k trot in 39:34. What the hell can I do the next 2 months to break 3 in the marathon? Do these times mean I have some speed but lack requisite endurance?
Basically should I just do tempo runs and easy long runs til marathon in february?
You probably have bad running form, just a guess, amongst some other stuff maybe.
Context is king wrote:
When did you run your last half? You should be able to do about a 1:26 based off of that 10k.
You should get the Daniels Formula book and training off of that, that way you aren't guessing what to do for each workout. But I wouldn't just do tempos and easy long runs. You'd still get benefits from doing intervals at 5k and 10k pace. And the long runs should incorporate a good bit of marathon paced efforts.
With a 4:52 mile, 39:34 10K and 1:35:19 this guys endurance is very much lacking. If he was an endurance trained runner I'd say he might get sub-3 with 1:26 or 1:27 HM but this guy's gonna need 1:24 or 1:25 at most in the half to break 3. Doubt seriously that can change much in 2 months but not impossible.
OP, if you have some patience (as in at least a year) you will destroy sub-3. Just ain't likely at all to happen in 2months based on your current fitness.
Get your priorities straight bud. First things first...improve that 1/2 marathon time, it/s horrible for your goal. Focus on that, once you are close to 1:22-1:24 then we talk about sub-3 marathon.
Make your 10k - (at least) sub 38min and your HM (at least) sub 1:25, and slowly up your milleage to 50 mpw.
Then you will be able, this worked for me!
With the times you run now, you will probably run 3:20.