calliman wrote:
In re: Rickey Henderson - he certainly hung on too long, but he was playing good baseball into his 40s. At 40, hit .315, at 42 had 25 stolen bases.
That is absolutely amazing. Clean living and avoiding major injuries I suppose!
calliman wrote:
In re: Rickey Henderson - he certainly hung on too long, but he was playing good baseball into his 40s. At 40, hit .315, at 42 had 25 stolen bases.
That is absolutely amazing. Clean living and avoiding major injuries I suppose!
I would say that it might be sad for a lot of the athletes mentioned here that there career ended with poor performances.
However I don't agree with most people here saying its sad not to know when to hang it up. Trying to extend their careers for as long as they can doing something they like in no way takes away from their accomplishments. In some cases they continue to do great things in sports, other times not. Everyone loses it, weather sitting on the couch after retiring at the top of their game or losing it while still trying to do their sport.
Antonio Brown- went from a star to out of the nfl entirely in the span of 3 months, although this was entirely of his own making.
Jimmie Johnson- 7 time NASCAR Cup champion who hasn't won since the first half of the 2017 season. The 2020 season will be his last
For running it has to be Mary Cain, not even close.
Believe I saw Steve Carlton mentioned on here but don't forget Mike Schmidt realizes he didn't have it anymore.
can't believe no one has mentioned matt bolling yet
frtt wrote:
coach wrote:
So their tight ends and receivers are poor, their line is mediocre and they dont have decent running game but Its Brady's fault? Maybe his decline is a result of his teammates.
Maybe his success was a result of his teammates/coach.
We have a winner!
Tristate wrote:
See what happens in January wrote:
Brady? 325 yard 3 TD? Best record in the NFL? Best defense in the NFL? 5th best offense in the NFL?
Oh, I get it, Brady sucks?
I think I can speak for a large portion of the fans who really feel brady rubs us the wrong way. Here is the reason: goggle "brady screaming at the refs" You will get many hits. Google that about any other QB in history, and you won't get nearly as many. THIS is why many of us can not stand him. He whines. He destroyed his cell phone when asked about texts to equipment managers to deflate the balls. Yes, he is good. But, the fact that the NFL has changed the rules for the QB, basically making that position flag football, is largely because of him and him alone. He is the most famous, and he has to take the criticism with the fame. He is a whiner. Short and to the point. And, a proven cheater. And, add to that you are watching a game, and there he is Screaming at an NFL ref, and they do what? Nothing! They don't throw a flag, nothing. These are the reasons, many of us dislike him so much
Joe Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Roethlisberger, Lamar Jackson... the list goes on. None of them, and I repeat, NONE of them are seen whining and complaining nearly as much as Brady. And Big ben got hit tons more than Brady, tone more. Does he scream at the refs? Nope. How about Eli, Peyton or Elway? Were they seen constantly yelling at refs?
So, come down off your high horse. Brady will go down as the greatest ever. But, the retired QB's don't respect him. Not at all. How could they?
Another guy who gets it!
Adam Vinatieri is currently trying to make this list.
Brady certainly isn't *that* bad this year. But I suspect he could be next year. Beyond declining physical skills, he's scheduled to become a free agent and if he goes elsewhere he's about to find out how badly other teams prepare and find out his pep talks/tantrums/big demannds will alienate teammates.
I would have put Mickey Mantle on that list, but it turns out he was far better his final season that most people, including he, realized. His OPS+ was 140 I believe, meaning he was 40% better at hitting than the average that year. His batting average was low for him, but it was exactly the major league average for that season. The late 60s was a pitcher-friendly era.
To be sure, Mantle was a very poor fielder bu then, and probably not much of a base runner either. But today he would be a valued designated hitter
Rooney, Wilshere, Owen, Hargreaves.. basically all young Anglo Saxon talent
Mikeh33 wrote:
I would have put Mickey Mantle on that list, but
I don't think anyone mentioned Lou Gehrig yet? I'd venture that is the saddest decline in the whole of sports
Uhh wrote:
Mikeh33 wrote:
I would have put Mickey Mantle on that list, but
I don't think anyone mentioned Lou Gehrig yet? I'd venture that is the saddest decline in the whole of sports
That’s a good point. He probably could have been a top ten all time.
Bo Jackson
Mikeh33 wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Two under-the-radar ones:
Missy Franklin is a good one. She was the best swimmer in the world at age 17. 4 years later she was barely in the Games. She did get some NCAA titles, but she was not the same swimmer.
I think Jonas Gray too is a good one. Gets his opportunity and destroys the Colts for the Patriots. Shows up late the next workday and never has a meaningful football moment again.
Missy Franklin is an interesting choice. She did not get old, I would argue. She had an abundance of injuries due to years of overtraining. I have no inside knowledge, but I suspect that is what happened. A cautionary tale for young swimmers.
Even worse she turned down a huge endorsement deals to swim as an amateur. She is a cautionary tale for what not do with your potential pro career.
And at the other end of the spectrum are athletes that went out on top. Jim Brown.
Ding Ding! wrote:
Tristate wrote:
I think I can speak for a ldelusionan of the fans who really feel brady rubs us the wrong way. Here is the reason: goggle "brady screaming at the refs" You will get many hits. Google that about any other QB in history, and you won't get nearly as many. THIS is why many of us can not stand him. He whines. He destroyed his cell phone when asked about texts to equipment managers to deflate the balls. Yes, he is good. But, the fact that the NFL has changed the rules for the QB, basically making that position flag football, is largely because of him and him alone. He is the most famous, and he has to take the criticism with the fame. He is a whiner. Short and to the point. And, a proven cheater. And, add to that you are watching a game, and there he is Screaming at an NFL ref, and they do what? Nothing! They don't throw a flag, nothing. These are the reasons, many of us dislike him so much
Joe Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Roethlisberger, Lamar Jackson... the list goes on. None of them, and I repeat, NONE of them are seen whining and complaining nearly as much as Brady. And Big ben got hit tons more than Brady, tone more. Does he scream at the refs? Nope. How about Eli, Peyton or Elway? Were they seen constantly yelling at refs?
So, come down off your high horse. Brady will go down as the greatest ever. But, the retired QB's don't respect him. Not at all. How could they?
Another guy who gets it!
Tom Brady will go down in history as one of the all time great quarterbacks, but also as one of the most delusional and whiny. He's insufferable. Also let's not forget how critical the Gronk was to his success.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
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