• E-P-Oh-la-la
      • AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 12:04PM
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      • One can never be too cautious about doping.
        After French middle distance runner OPHELIE CLAUDE-BOXBERGER was test positive to EPO just before Doha Worlds, her mom's boyfriend (who is part of her staff) admitted to have injected her a dose of EPO while she was lying asleep after a massage. All that AGAINST HER WILL (presumably) !

        While a little hard to believe, it is plausible, and the argument Salazar used for the testosterone gel is a little more valid now (someone rubbing you after a race, triggering a positive test).

        What do you think ???

        Sources (the second is in french):
        https://www.france24.com/en/20191120-claude-boxberger-bemused-by-positive-epo-test
        https://www.lequipe.fr/Athletisme/Actualites/Ophelie-claude-boxberger-innocentee/1084892
    • Are you that thick?
      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 12:09PM - in reply to E-P-Oh-la-la
      • Are you that thick?
      • Neither scenario is plausible.
    • LoneStarXC
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      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 12:12PM - in reply to E-P-Oh-la-la
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      • Come one. This is just another lame excuse. “Sabotage” is always a popular excuse among dopers, just like Gatlin’s vengeful masseuse and Baumann’s spiked toothpaste.

        Oh, and, another one bites the dust.
    • LoneStarXC
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      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 12:15PM - in reply to LoneStarXC
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      • LoneStarXC wrote:

        Come on. This is just another lame excuse. “Sabotage” is always a popular excuse among dopers, just like Gatlin’s vengeful masseuse and Baumann’s spiked toothpaste.

        Oh, and, another one bites the dust.

        Fixed. Autocorrect is dumb.
    • mhvghc
      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 12:20PM - in reply to E-P-Oh-la-la
      • mhvghc
      • [Claude-Boxberger bemused by positive EPO test

        Ha! I'm highly amused by her lame excuse. Add it to the list.
    • casual obsever
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      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 12:33PM - in reply to mhvghc
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      • Nice. A new excuse after all these years!
    • Vic Colfari
      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff lo 11/30/2019 12:36PM - in reply to E-P-Oh-la-la
      • Vic Colfari
      • I can’t stand it! I know they planned it!
    • use your head
      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 1:00PM - in reply to LoneStarXC
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      • LoneStarXC wrote:

        Come one. This is just another lame excuse. “Sabotage” is always a popular excuse among dopers, just like Gatlin’s vengeful masseuse and Baumann’s spiked toothpaste.

        Oh, and, another one bites the dust.

        Baumann was probably doping, but he sure as hell wasn't using nandrolone intentionally.
    • YMMV
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      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff lo 11/30/2019 1:04PM - in reply to Vic Colfari
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      • I'm waiting for someone to claim that they got a flu shot but in a tragic mixup got EPO by accident.
    • sceptical hippo
      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 1:07PM - in reply to E-P-Oh-la-la
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      • Yeah I'm sure after his experiments Al Sal was only going to let his athletes be sabotaged by third parties up to a certain level...

        There's no legitimate use for the information he would have learned from his experiments.
    • mots r nous
      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 1:22PM - in reply to E-P-Oh-la-la
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      • Because 'sabotage' is a French word, I am inclined to believe her.

        As for any suspected or hypothesized 'Sala-tage', that's another matter entirely.
    • LoneStarXC
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      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 2:08PM - in reply to use your head
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      • use your head wrote:

        LoneStarXC wrote:

        Come one. This is just another lame excuse. “Sabotage” is always a popular excuse among dopers, just like Gatlin’s vengeful masseuse and Baumann’s spiked toothpaste.

        Oh, and, another one bites the dust.

        Baumann was probably doping, but he sure as hell wasn't using nandrolone intentionally.

        Lol, why do you think that? There have been plenty of busts for nandrolone nowadays.
    • Rhinopine
      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 2:51PM - in reply to sceptical hippo
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      • sceptical hippo wrote:

        Yeah I'm sure after his experiments Al Sal was only going to let his athletes be sabotaged by third parties up to a certain level...

        There's no legitimate use for the information he would have learned from his experiments.

        Exactly. So, okay, Saladbar learns from his "experiments" that more than X amount of testogel rubbed onto one of his athlete's thighs will trigger a positive test. And how exactly will this "knowledge" be useful in preventing said "sabotage" from happening?
    • casual obsever
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      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 3:05PM - in reply to LoneStarXC
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      • LoneStarXC wrote:
        Lol, why do you think that? There have been plenty of busts for nandrolone nowadays.
        +1

        Little known fact: he tried the tainted beef excuse at first, but then was tasked to provide evidence in form of a batch with high nandrolone. Unfortunately these days it's enough to claim it was in the beef, without actually having it tested.
    • Primo Numero Uno
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      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 9:46PM - in reply to E-P-Oh-la-la
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      • Being administered a doping level dosage of a drug is much different than being sabotaged with a massage gel.

        Also this comes off to me as another in the long line of bogus doping defenses. At least they're getting more clever about it. Merritt's extenze defense was pretty ground breaking. Now athletes are getting others to admit to sabotaging them.
    • reality for the win
      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff 11/30/2019 10:18PM - in reply to Primo Numero Uno
      • reality for the win
      • Primo Numero Uno wrote:

        Being administered a doping level dosage of a drug is much different than being sabotaged with a massage gel.

        Also this comes off to me as another in the long line of bogus doping defenses. At least they're getting more clever about it. Merritt's extenze defense was pretty ground breaking. Now athletes are getting others to admit to sabotaging them.

        The dosage of epo needed to go positive is fairly small if you do it subcutaneously. However, can you imagine trying to secretly give someone a shot while they are asleep? Even if you were to use a very small insulin needle that's going to wake someone up. Why would the mom's boyfriend take the fall on this one? It's a strange excuse.
    • Sweet Nell Fenwick
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      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff lo 11/30/2019 11:05PM - in reply to casual obsever
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      • Ah, those cyclists do come up with the wackiest of lies!

        I always thought Tyler Shamilton's "vanishing twin" excuse was the most laughable one of them all. And then there's Fraud Landis and his "Maybe I just produce synthetic testosterone naturally" gem.

        They could just miss tests like Michael Rasjuicin (of team Rob-a-Bank), microdose like Lance Pharmstrong or fall back on the old reliable "tainted beef" plan like Albutero Clentador. Buuut nooooo. Some of them have to get so creative that nobody could possibly take them seriously.
    • The Riot
      • RE: AlSal was RIGHT! Athletes can be sabotaged; french runner administered EPO without knowing by staff lo 11/30/2019 11:34PM - in reply to Sweet Nell Fenwick
      • The Riot
      • Just another creative but ridiculously improbable excuse. What a joke. Saying she would have gotten exposed to EPO by blowing her mom’s boyfriend actually would have been a little more believable than this exercise in fiction.