Are the top high school XC programs in Colorado recruiting?

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Not dominating. Not anything. wrote:

Why are people complaining about Valor. They finished 11th in the state. They ain’t s#it. I’m serious.

Because their girls just qualified for NXN with two transfers, after not being anywhere close to winning state! Did you not pay attention to the NXR SW results?

high school girls? that's what you're on about?

critic 100 ,

I am Anna Hall's Dad. Anna was not contacted by anyone at Valor nor was she in any way recruited by Valor. Anna transferred to Valor on the hope that she would be treated with dignity, respect and viewed/treated as more than just points in a meet (without care for her health/future). Transferring was a risky because we might have found more of the same at Valor. Thankfully, we did not and our hope came true plus more! It was a great decision for us and Anna, and we are very grateful to Valor coaches, teachers and administrators..

Please do not speculate about Anna's transfer or accuse Valor coaches and/or Anna of violating CHSAA rules as you do not know the facts. She was not recruited to Valor. In our three years there, we saw no one recruited. Reading these messages, it would not surprise me if too little is known about what is going on at the schools (or with the coaches) that families are deciding to transfer their children away from . . . . David Hall

critic 100 ,

I am Anna Hall's Dad. Anna was not contacted by anyone at Valor nor was she in any way recruited by Valor. Anna transferred to Valor on the hope that she would be treated with dignity, respect and viewed/treated as more than just points in a meet (without care for her health/future). Transferring was a risky because we might have found more of the same at Valor. Thankfully, we did not and our hope came true plus more! It was a great decision for us and Anna, and we are very grateful to Valor coaches, teachers and administrators..

Please do not speculate about Anna's transfer or accuse Valor coaches and/or Anna of violating CHSAA rules as you do not know the facts. She was not recruited to Valor. In our three years there, we saw no one recruited. Reading these messages, it would not surprise me if too little is known about what is going on at the schools (or with the coaches) that families are deciding to transfer their children away from . . . . David Hall

Why so must focus on Valor in this post? Obviously there are some questions about how these transfers arrived, but what about NIWOT HS (Real Training Club). Their girls just finished 3rd at NXN. I too have heard there’s been some violations (handed down by the state) for coaches actively recruiting .

Anyone who thinks private schools don't recruit is lost and naive. Period. Welcome to the world of inequality in high school athletics. Valor is a joke in religious disguise... It's called entitlement. Valor Track Academy = recruiting.

Answer one question : why send my kid to a private school?

... if the answer is anything other than to shelter them, I'd laugh. Truth..

Let me start a bigger conversation : why has Colorado, the most scenic state in the U.S., succumbed to a bunch of snowflake high school XC courses built for speed? I didnt realize kids are running 3.1 mile track meets now. Running sub 15 at altitude isn't impressive, it simply means it's a product of soft courses. #MakeXCNotSnowflakeAgain

I like the idea of letting all the private school be cut from competing against public.

schools and compete against themselves.

I have an inside source that says this idea is on the table at CHSAA .

critic 100 wrote:

I like the idea of letting all the private school be cut from competing against public.

schools and compete against themselves.

I have an inside source that says this idea is on the table at CHSAA .

This just dilutes competition. I don't know about in other states, but in Virginia private schools usually do worse than public schools in track and xc.

Private schools should recruit. They have no district so they have to get the word out. People care too much about high school sports. So what if a private school kicks your butt? It makes you better for it.

How is it considered caring 'too much about high school sports' if it's simply the exact beginning point of inequality on the field? High school kids are at an incredible age of molding, knowledge, and athleticism. That's much different than combining a team of superstars and telling opponents it's 'making you better for it.' Coaches at these private schools face public school teams, cherry pick their top athletes after crushing their team, and promise college options for athletics. If that's a system and society you accept, well, honesty that poses bigger questions and simple differences in philosophies. Let me separate this idea of inequality on the field from the amazing young adults that private schools produce. They are ready for the academic challenges of college, and invested in their activities. What more could a selective college ask for? But, when a private school with 10 D1 athletes destroys a team 70-0, with coaches deliberately going over and making offers to the other school's top 2-3 kids after the game, that spells different meanings for 'getting your butt kicked and making your better for it.' Maybe that's not the national scene, but it's the reality here in NY/NJ.

But hey, thanks for engaging in a healthy debate. Have a great day.

Center Grove is the new minor league affiliate for Valor High School.

Alger Arcon wrote:

https://in.milesplit.com/articles/291400-center-groves-drew-costelow-transferring-to-valor-christian

Center Grove is the new minor league affiliate for Valor High School.

LOL

I coach in a nearby district and this is just about the most disappointing thing I've seen in more than 20 years of coaching. Two kids who ran sub 16 as freshman (and then around 15:30 this years as sophs) and were basically top two runners on the team as freshman. Now they've transferred to Valor a year apart? WTF! They were top 5 lock and had a chance to win the state in the fall before this kid transferred, and they would have been heavy favorites the following year as a senior. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around how something like this happens. I can't even imagine how the coach and teammates feel.

Alger Arcon wrote:

Center Grove is the new minor league affiliate for Valor High School.

They are happy to have them.

Center Grove has a solid class of 2023. They would probably qualify for NXN in Costelnow and Garrett’s senior year if they were both still there and NXN comes back.

Such a mess here.

I hear a lot of talk about recruiting/cheating from Valor, but I am yet to hear any solid evidence that proves this. Multiple associates and parents of athletes of Valor have replied in this saying how they ended up there and it has nothing to do with a coach talking to them. In fact, it’s pretty disrespectful to automatically believe someone transfers schools because the coach convinced their entire family to transfer. You have no idea what the hell they could be going through (school issues, social issues, family issues etc...) and all they want to do is leave the issue behind and move on. But instead they constantly have people like you guys accusing them and their family of being recruited and moving solely for athletics. You guys have no idea why these girls transferred. I don’t think a lot of you understand what moving or even just transferring schools is like. Do you really think someone would give up their friendships/relationships just to go run for some team that qualified for nxn once or wins the state track meet a lot? You really think families would move 1000 miles from Indiana because one of the kids wants to run for some private school in CO? To be honest, if I were gonna specifically go for running, I’d hop on the Vista train. Speaking of other schools, no one has talked a whole lot about Niwot and there constant transfers from California. The same logic applies here that no one would move across the west just for running. But if you people hate recruiting so much, why don’t you throw Niwot into this? You only seem to hate Valor. In fact, let’s also talk about how the Niwot XC coach has almost faced every type of suspension there is when it comes to recruiting. Nobody seems to care. It sounds to me like everyone who believes that Valor is recruiting is just some “anti-wealthy” private school hater.

ColoradoXCEnthusiast wrote:

In fact, let’s also talk about how the Niwot XC coach has almost faced every type of suspension there is when it comes to recruiting. Nobody seems to care.

Not almost.

People do care. It'll stay quiet only so long.

Attention Colorado schools: May I use your outdoor tracks during the day to do workouts on without the police showing up?