Ethi-DOPE-ia
Ethi-DOPE-ia
douglas burke wrote:
8e7rze4 wrote:
Ethipio is the next Kenya. Systematic doping of all athletes. We need a country wide ban.
You don't ban a whole Country because of the actions of an Individual or even a few thousand Individuals, EACH PERSON is responsible for his or her actions, There are Bank Robbers in the USA, but it would be Totally Unfair to label ALL 330 Million people in the USA as Bank Robbers, even though there are probably thousands of bank robbers.
Most People Value and Honor Morals, Principles and Ethics over Money, MOST people are beyond reproach and will follow the rules, EXTREMELY FEW look to gain an unfair advantage.
Thanks!
Not to mention murderers, rapists, drug dealers, tax cheats, child molesters and the list can go on and on.
Trollism, before speaking go to inform yourself about the evolution of the case of Schwazer. Italian court was able to receive the samples of the last test of Schwazer (the one that produced his second ban) and a pool of experts found proves that there was a manipulation of the containers, because there are difference in the DNA of Schwazer and the DNA of the blood in the containers.
Schwazer is no longer an athlete, but spends his money fighting for cleaning his name from the second ban (while didn't do anything regarding the first positivity, which he accepted apologyzing for his behavior in a weak period of his life).
Zippo, this was your statement :
. Do you really think that someone's lifestyle can be proof that he is clean? Don't forget that a lot of Kipchoge's training partners have been busted.
A LOT OF TRAINING PARTNERS….
I'm still waiting your answer to my question : give us some name of athletes of the same group busted for doping (not one, but… A LOT
Renato Canova wrote:
Trollism, before speaking go to inform yourself about the evolution of the case of Schwazer. Italian court was able to receive the samples of the last test of Schwazer (the one that produced his second ban) and a pool of experts found proves that there was a manipulation of the containers, because there are difference in the DNA of Schwazer and the DNA of the blood in the containers.
Not quite. It was his DNA in both cases, but in different concentrations in the A and B sample , which suggests either different degradation, such as caused by different temperature profiles during storage, or manipulation:
"the concentration of Schwazer’s DNA in his B Sample was 1,187 picograms per microlitre (pg/μl); compared to 437 pg/μl for his A Sample."
As you know, CAS has already confirmed the 8-year ban, so there isn't much left for him to do about it.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/37042595Renato Canova wrote:
I'm still waiting your answer to my question : give us some name of athletes of the same group busted for doping (not one, but… A LOT
There is "only" one - now confirmed - drug cheat so far trained by Sang, but didn't you say that a good coach knows when his athletes dope?
Renato Canova wrote:
Trollism, before speaking go to inform yourself about the evolution of the case of Schwazer. Italian court was able to receive the samples of the last test of Schwazer (the one that produced his second ban) and a pool of experts found proves that there was a manipulation of the containers, because there are difference in the DNA of Schwazer and the DNA of the blood in the containers.
Schwazer is no longer an athlete, but spends his money fighting for cleaning his name from the second ban (while didn't do anything regarding the first positivity, which he accepted apologyzing for his behavior in a weak period of his life).
Wow, he's claiming innocence and fighting to clear his name?
Must be a mistake then. No way an actual cheat will deny cheating after they've been caught, it's literally never happened.
El Keniano wrote:
Still not a single bust from North America or Western Europe. They are so clean they banned doping coach without implicating any his athletes because that ... that would be unthinkable.
There are hundreds busted in those countries for steroids in sprint events. If what you imply is true how could that be.
There have been occasional bustso. EPO eg Eddy Hellybuck and some Irish runner. Western athletes largely gave up on distance running believing East Africans were innately better. We didn't realise it was on the back of EPO.
astro wrote:
That's a red herring. No one is claiming there are no dopers among those groups. In the Prefontaine days the Norwegians were notorious blood dopers...
NO Norwegian runners or cross country skiers have EVER been caught for blood doping or epo. I think you mix with Finnish athletes!
Yes, the most part of doped try to save themselves denying their doping.
But I don't know how many banned athletes, already NO MORE IN THE ATHLETIC WORLD, go to spend 200,000 € for paying a pool of experts (including prof. D'Onofrio who is one of the most important fundator of modern antidoping and works for WADA) and of investigators, only for cleaning his name (and, I repeat, he doesn't work in athletics anymore).
So, probably, he has to be sure that NEVER took anything on 31st December 2015 in order to enhance his training ability (antidoping found a minimal percentage of anabolic steroids, absolutely useless for increasing any kind of athletic quality).
This from an athlete who conceded to be guilty in his first offence.
I think this is not a case to face with sarcasm, but to solve after deep investigation, because there are too many situations that is not possible to explain, looking at the difference of value between the two samples.
There is more and more scientific evidence that doping creates generational benefits. If you are juiced to the gills, it becomes literally part of your DNA and your children will inherit this trait. This effect is amplified when both your parents were dopers.
The latest load of Kenyan talents are often the children of the athletes competing in the 90s-00s, when there wasn't even testing done in Kenya.
That's why a country wide ban is necessary.