BYU runner Clayson Shumway talking massive sh** on twitter - Totally SAVAGE (and hilarious)

PC HS wrote:

Look, from reading through this thread, it's obvious you're a byu fan. You want to defend your school/state. That's fine and great. What you need to take into account is that all those byu guys are strange/do weird stuff. You also graduate 26 year olds commonly.I'd suggest moving out of Utah for a few years to realize what a bubble you live in. You'll find out really quick that the entitled attitude that Utah has engrained in you does not fly.People don't even hold the door open for each other in Utah.You'll find that the dishonesty that mormons typically apply to business/life gets called out really fast outside of the Beehive State.Just ask Henry Marsh. People in Utah are just angry. The porn problem has previously been mentioned. The suicide rate in Utah is also the 5th highest in the nation.I think what the overwhelming majority of the posters here are probably thinking is, don't point out the disparities of others when your house is far from clean.

PC HS wrote:

Look, from reading through this thread, it's obvious you're a byu fan. You want to defend your school/state. That's fine and great. What you need to take into account is that all those byu guys are strange/do weird stuff. You also graduate 26 year olds commonly. I'd suggest moving out of Utah for a few years to realize what a bubble you live in. You'll find out really quick that the entitled attitude that Utah has engrained in you does not fly. People don't even hold the door open for each other in Utah. You'll find that the dishonesty that mormons typically apply to business/life gets called out really fast outside of the Beehive State. Just ask Henry Marsh. People in Utah are just angry. The porn problem has previously been mentioned. The suicide rate in Utah is also the 5th highest in the nation. I think what the overwhelming majority of the posters here are probably thinking is, don't point out the disparities of others when your house is far from clean.

nofacetimber wrote:

PC HS wrote:

Look, from reading through this thread, it's obvious you're a byu fan. You want to defend your school/state. That's fine and great. What you need to take into account is that all those byu guys are strange/do weird stuff. You also graduate 26 year olds commonly.I'd suggest moving out of Utah for a few years to realize what a bubble you live in. You'll find out really quick that the entitled attitude that Utah has engrained in you does not fly.People don't even hold the door open for each other in Utah.You'll find that the dishonesty that mormons typically apply to business/life gets called out really fast outside of the Beehive State.Just ask Henry Marsh. People in Utah are just angry. The porn problem has previously been mentioned. The suicide rate in Utah is also the 5th highest in the nation.I think what the overwhelming majority of the posters here are probably thinking is, don't point out the disparities of others when your house is far from clean.

A fan I may be, but more importantly as you rightly said I aim to combat the unwarranted flood of misinformation and slander out there directed at the school, religion, and state.

You talk as if you are certain that I've never lived outside of Utah. That's a rush to judgment if I've ever seen one.

I think you are spot on with what the majority of posters here are thinking. I think that they also rush to condemn and judge without taking things into context.

#TrashTalkTuesday as the runner in question called it. Was a fun and creative way to take a jab at the other competition who made it to nationals before the big day. Trash talk and banter is nothing new among athletes. At the end of the day the vast majority of these athletes respect each other.

If you were to look at this athletes likes on twitter you would see that he likes posts from other cross country programs who could be considered rivals. He's supportive of and shows respect to these programs and their achievements. Instead of having a laugh and treating it like the levity that it is. Posters are act as if he is insulting their honor. And feel the need to bash everything associated with him. Not with an air of lightheartedness mind you, but heavy with derision.

Your accusations claiming dishonesty by members of this particular religion remind me of a talk I once heard that has had a big impact on me in my life. Here's an excerpt:

"Some 30 years ago, while working in the corporate world, some business associates and I were passing through O’Hare Airport in Chicago, Illinois. One of these men had just sold his company for tens of millions of dollars—in other words, he was not poor.

As we were passing a newspaper vending machine, this individual put a quarter in the machine, opened the door to the stack of papers inside the machine, and began dispensing unpaid-for newspapers to each of us. When he handed me a newspaper, I put a quarter in the machine and, trying not to offend but to make a point, jokingly said, “Jim, for 25 cents I can maintain my integrity. A dollar, questionable, but 25 cents—no, not for 25 cents.” You see, I remembered well the experience of three towels and a broken-down 1941 Hudson. A few minutes later we passed the same newspaper vending machine. I noticed that Jim had broken away from our group and was stuffing quarters in the vending machine. I tell you this incident not to portray myself as an unusual example of honesty, but only to emphasize the lessons of three towels and a 25-cent newspaper.

There will never be honesty in the business world, in the schools, in the home, or anyplace else until there is honesty in the heart."

Honesty is very important to me and I consider it one of the tenants of my faith.

PC HS wrote:

nofacetimber wrote:

A fan I may be, but more importantly as you rightly said I aim to combat the unwarranted flood of misinformation and slander out there directed at the school, religion, and state.

You talk as if you are certain that I've never lived outside of Utah. That's a rush to judgment if I've ever seen one.

I think you are spot on with what the majority of posters here are thinking. I think that they also rush to condemn and judge without taking things into context.

#TrashTalkTuesday as the runner in question called it. Was a fun and creative way to take a jab at the other competition who made it to nationals before the big day. Trash talk and banter is nothing new among athletes. At the end of the day the vast majority of these athletes respect each other.

If you were to look at this athletes likes on twitter you would see that he likes posts from other cross country programs who could be considered rivals. He's supportive of and shows respect to these programs and their achievements. Instead of having a laugh and treating it like the levity that it is. Posters are act as if he is insulting their honor. And feel the need to bash everything associated with him. Not with an air of lightheartedness mind you, but heavy with derision.

Your accusations claiming dishonesty by members of this particular religion remind me of a talk I once heard that has had a big impact on me in my life. Here's an excerpt:

"Some 30 years ago, while working in the corporate world, some business associates and I were passing through O’Hare Airport in Chicago, Illinois. One of these men had just sold his company for tens of millions of dollars—in other words, he was not poor.

As we were passing a newspaper vending machine, this individual put a quarter in the machine, opened the door to the stack of papers inside the machine, and began dispensing unpaid-for newspapers to each of us. When he handed me a newspaper, I put a quarter in the machine and, trying not to offend but to make a point, jokingly said, “Jim, for 25 cents I can maintain my integrity. A dollar, questionable, but 25 cents—no, not for 25 cents.” You see, I remembered well the experience of three towels and a broken-down 1941 Hudson. A few minutes later we passed the same newspaper vending machine. I noticed that Jim had broken away from our group and was stuffing quarters in the vending machine. I tell you this incident not to portray myself as an unusual example of honesty, but only to emphasize the lessons of three towels and a 25-cent newspaper.

There will never be honesty in the business world, in the schools, in the home, or anyplace else until there is honesty in the heart."

Honesty is very important to me and I consider it one of the tenants of my faith.

I appreciate you post. I really do. Thanks for taking the time to write that. However, in dealing with Mormons the 15 years of doing business in Utah, they are hands down the most dishonest people I've ever dealt with. Hands down. There's not even a close second.

PC HS wrote:

nofacetimber wrote:

A fan I may be, but more importantly as you rightly said I aim to combat the unwarranted flood of misinformation and slander out there directed at the school, religion, and state.

You talk as if you are certain that I've never lived outside of Utah. That's a rush to judgment if I've ever seen one.

I think you are spot on with what the majority of posters here are thinking. I think that they also rush to condemn and judge without taking things into context.

#TrashTalkTuesday as the runner in question called it. Was a fun and creative way to take a jab at the other competition who made it to nationals before the big day. Trash talk and banter is nothing new among athletes. At the end of the day the vast majority of these athletes respect each other.

If you were to look at this athletes likes on twitter you would see that he likes posts from other cross country programs who could be considered rivals. He's supportive of and shows respect to these programs and their achievements. Instead of having a laugh and treating it like the levity that it is. Posters are act as if he is insulting their honor. And feel the need to bash everything associated with him. Not with an air of lightheartedness mind you, but heavy with derision.

Your accusations claiming dishonesty by members of this particular religion remind me of a talk I once heard that has had a big impact on me in my life. Here's an excerpt:

"Some 30 years ago, while working in the corporate world, some business associates and I were passing through O’Hare Airport in Chicago, Illinois. One of these men had just sold his company for tens of millions of dollars—in other words, he was not poor.

As we were passing a newspaper vending machine, this individual put a quarter in the machine, opened the door to the stack of papers inside the machine, and began dispensing unpaid-for newspapers to each of us. When he handed me a newspaper, I put a quarter in the machine and, trying not to offend but to make a point, jokingly said, “Jim, for 25 cents I can maintain my integrity. A dollar, questionable, but 25 cents—no, not for 25 cents.” You see, I remembered well the experience of three towels and a broken-down 1941 Hudson. A few minutes later we passed the same newspaper vending machine. I noticed that Jim had broken away from our group and was stuffing quarters in the vending machine. I tell you this incident not to portray myself as an unusual example of honesty, but only to emphasize the lessons of three towels and a 25-cent newspaper.

There will never be honesty in the business world, in the schools, in the home, or anyplace else until there is honesty in the heart."

Honesty is very important to me and I consider it one of the tenants of my faith.

I appreciate you post. I really do. Thanks for taking the time to write that. However, in dealing with Mormons the 15 years of doing business in Utah, they are hands down the most dishonest people I've ever dealt with. Hands down. There's not even a close second.