Tuohy and other top Runners still undecided on college, WHY?

Also thanks for explaining that NC State is a state school. I never would have figured that out without your help

UC Berkeley women's cross country was finished as high as 18th as recently as 2011

The men had three straight years top 25 finishes from 2008 to 2011

They've recently had some of Olympians from their program the last several Olympics.

They might not be a National Power but it's a solid program. Maybe they've fallen off a little recently I don't know but I was just mentioning good academic schools that are good athletically I wasn't necessarily saying she should go there or even consider them. But if she ends up going to Princeton which she might UC Berkeley's team has certainly been on a par with Princeton over the years.

Sorry to go on and on but just to add

UC Berkeley has been finishing around 5th or 6th in the NCAA West Regional for most of this decade

Which puts them around 35th in the country

Considering that's a tough region with the likes of Stanford and Oregon

Anyway sorry to go on and on but I hate when people throw out such Hyperbole and insults around innocuous statements

UC Berkeley is a great school with some pretty solid athletic programs there's an innocuous statement that didn't call for any of that

Cal has ruined more top female runners than any other program. It is also the meat opn minded college in the country. They consistenly protest against having speakers come to the college who have viewpoints that differ from the narrow view of the student body.

Chris P wrote:

Sorry to go on and on but just to add

UC Berkeley has been finishing around 5th or 6th in the NCAA West Regional for most of this decade

Which puts them around 35th in the country

Considering that's a tough region with the likes of Stanford and Oregon

Anyway sorry to go on and on but I hate when people throw out such Hyperbole and insults around innocuous statements

UC Berkeley is a great school with some pretty solid athletic programs there's an innocuous statement that didn't call for any of that

You need to stop going on now.

Berkley sucks for athletics.

Bottomless pit of mediocrity, injury, and weak performances.

Brie Oakley?? Sub 16 3mile in high school to not even being in the top 500 in college.

.....And Cal Bearly even cracks the top 5 academically within California so why would Tuohy choose there.

Libs are dumb wrote:

Cal has ruined more top female runners than any other program.

Idk. Washington and Stanford come to mind before Berkeley.

Steph Jenks never ran a race there. She should be a senior now. She was a multiple time quaifier to NXN and Footlocker and Dream Mile.

Some close seconds but Cal has ruined more elite females. Some of the problem is the culture there that melts your brain. Students are more interested in smoking and complaining and being unproductive. Do not send your daughter there if you want her to ever come back.

Virtually no one pays the 'rack' rate at any school especially Ivies. Although they do not give athletic scholarships, after any merit scholarship money an athlete could receive, an athlete could be awarded money from the 'special talent' pot of money schools (Ivies and D3 schools) use for talented musicians, artists, authors, quarterbacks or distance runners. I would bet Tuohy could go to an Ivy for very little out of pocket money.

No. The Ivies can give no aid to an athlete that any other student doesn't receive. The only discount received is based solely on need. Tuohy explored it and was disappointed to find out that she would pay the full $75k per year. That is why she eliminated Ivies from consideration.

I don't think people understand the toll that the constant travel can take on these kids. Only about 50% of my athletes commit at the first signing day. It's hard to fit all the official visits in the fall without becoming exhausted, especially if you are an elite kid that is also traveling for a few meets. Those days missing school and away from home add up. I always encourage kids to take their time. If a program truly wants you, they'll respect that and give you time to make a thoughtful decision.

Chris P wrote:

Tuohy still no College decision!

Starcher decides to go to Stanford after originally announcing Notre Dame!

Some other top Runners also have not committed

Yet...

Can someone who has some knowledge about all the intricacies explain a little about the college process?

Why would Runners wait, didn't they have all summer to figure out what the best program and colleges for them is?

If you wait couldn't a school potentially give out all its scholarships! What is the benefit of waiting? Not familiar with this but I'm curious...

A few reasons:

- Coaches can only start talking to athletes starting July 1st going into their senior year (outside of little questionnaires the students get in the mail).

- She may not have done all of the official visits she wants to take (you're limited to 5) due to class and racing schedules.

- She may want to confirm if she'll get in before declaring where she wants to go (she could have applied early action or decision at some of these schools)

No. The rules changed last year.

You miss the reason UC Berkeley was mentioned

Someone asked about schools that are strong at Athletics and academics

It was never mentioned as somewhere Katelyn Tuohy should consider

Someone was just asking about what are some schools that are strong academically as well as athletically

The obvious example is Stanford. University of Michigan University of Virginia come to my next I just mentioned schools like UNC Duke and UC Berkeley are known for being strong academically and athletically.

Chris P wrote:

UNC got Sasha neglia and another state champ. If she went there they would have a really cool rivalry with MC state

Taryn Parks just committed to NC. State champ in the 1600 (4:37.07) ahead of Starliper who will be at NC State.

Also 2nd in the mile at Brooks PR.

Parks had a 143 rating at XC state so should be a solid contributor with a good chance of improvement given her speed.

She said she chose UNC over Stanford, Georgetown, NC State, and Washington.

Deciding on a college isn't easy, especially with having so many great school with recourses to choose from.

Also she definitely needs to go pro. She could run 15:15 in a time trial on the track next spring, and maybe a little faster next year but there's several women in the US between 14:55-15:07 (Infeld/Hall/Purrier/Schneider/Fraser) + there's Schweizer (14:45), Houlihan (14:34), and Rowbury (14:38) coming back into fitness. No telling who else comes along. She lacks the necessary speed many of these runners possess (1500's 3:54.9-4:05). She also hasn't had to practice tactics a lot because she has no competition. Speed and tactics are two things she will gain in college in addition to get a college degree at very good school. Plus physical changes may impact her so it's best she gives it 4 years to work through that phase (something I think Cain would have benefitted from). Stanford, NC State, Washington, all good choices for her. I'm excited to see which college she chooses should she do so.

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Chris P wrote:

Yeah I agree with you!

Why pay a $100,000 or 200,000 when you can go to Georgetown Virginia Villanova Stanford Notre Dame for free

I'm thinking maybe a couple of schools have told her they're definitely hold a spot for her. So she's not really feeling worried about it. Maybe she just likes building suspense and making it exciting.

It's not "a couple of schools" that might hold a spot for her, it is ALL schools would. There isn't a University in America that wouldn't make sure they have a full ride ready for Tuohy if she wanted to go there. A talent like that, you make 100% sure you do everything you can to get her on your team.

Not exactly, probably only the schools she took an official on, and that's a maybe. At some point, you have to start worrying about depth and if you don't have a ton of money, getting 4 great, but not super elite runners on 30-35% may be better in the long run, especially in XC. And if you're a top program runners will take the 30-35% if you provide appeal. If you put all the stock into 1 runner and wait too long, these 4 great, but not super elite runners take 50%-100% elsewhere.

boye wrote:

Virtually no one pays the 'rack' rate at any school especially Ivies. Although they do not give athletic scholarships, after any merit scholarship money an athlete could receive, an athlete could be awarded money from the 'special talent' pot of money schools (Ivies and D3 schools) use for talented musicians, artists, authors, quarterbacks or distance runners. I would bet Tuohy could go to an Ivy for very little out of pocket money.

Ivys do not offer any merit scholarships. All aid is need based only. Now because of the endowments some families with ~100k income and without significant assets beyond house may qualify for some need based aid if their child goes Ivy (although this is a bit school/year dependent).

Stanford offers only athletic merit scholarships.

Good points on the training and going pro.

I don't know if Katelyn follows the running scene or is familiar with Mary Cain and her situation. I'm assuming she does but I would not be 100% sure.