Guelph Implodes

I'm imagining old fart Fred raging behind his keyboard, plucking out each response one finger at a time, squinting at the screen through his bifocals just incensed that some young millennial named Jessie has the gall to question his boomer authority.

Jessie - he will respond to everything you ever write because he thinks whoever has the last word wins the argument.

Fred - you need to grow up.

Ernest wrote:

fred wrote:

And secondly, do you have any actual direct evidence that any untoward activity has occurred within the city limits with the said parties involved?

Some problematic history for DST goes back to 2006 - is this a case of applying current rules to past behavior? When did posted AC rules come into effect?

As a past, registered coach trained in Canada, I do not recall rules specifically prohibiting adult Coach-Athlete relationships.

While often viewed with disdain, I can think of many examples of adult Coach-Athlete relationships which were publicly known and incurred no official consequence.

Certainly, the sniff test for these is not the same for professional/club coaches vs. those working in educational settings.

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So why would the sniff be different? Surely, a young student has the correct intellectual power to comprehend the consequences of their actions. An education entails the totality of all possible experiences.

Tunt wrote:

I'm imagining old fart Fred raging behind his keyboard, plucking out each response one finger at a time, squinting at the screen through his bifocals just incensed that some young millennial named Jessie has the gall to question his boomer authority.

Jessie - he will respond to everything you ever write because he thinks whoever has the last word wins the argument.

Fred - you need to grow up.

Jesse is a post middle aged troll.

There is no argument here. There is discerning exactly what happened, and what pain some people experienced.

Jesse lives thousands of miles away. He has no clue what is going on here. I have seen Dave's wife walking or running in the woods sometimes with a black lab. Do I read her correctly? Do I feel her turmoil?

You would not understand unless you have been through this gut wrenching process yourself.

Hey who coaches Dayna Pidhoresky?

http://www.daynapidhoresky.com/images/gallery2/5.jpg

some medical professionals can not treat their spouses so should a husband be permitted to coach his wife?

Howie Gordy wrote:

Hey who coaches Dayna Pidhoresky?

http://www.daynapidhoresky.com/images/gallery2/5.jpg

You know who coaches her. Are you trying to stir it up?

Are you trying to calm it down?

So far you only make the mistakes more obvious, and you make us all glad you’re no longer involved.

fred wrote:

There is no argument here. There is discerning exactly what happened, and what pain some people experienced.

Jesse lives thousands of miles away. He has no clue what is going on here. I have seen Dave's wife walking or running in the woods sometimes with a black lab. Do I read her correctly? Do I feel her turmoil?

You would not understand unless you have been through this gut wrenching process yourself.

Anyone else feel like Fred's post come across as a bit creepy?

Anyway, maybe you are too close to the situation. You will defend Guelph to the death because you feel as you are close to the situation without being an insider. Perhaps you should take a step back and listen to all the stories that are coming out of Guelph and look at all the athletes that have left. You might realize that it's probably a good thing DST is gone.

I only defend clean running. Rich Tremain sub 4 15 @ 40 years old. Lives in Guelph.

Mike Tate 53 sec, 4 min mile, 13:34 lives in Guelph. Ran 20 miles @ 6 min pace @ 5000 feet in Utah a couple of days ago.

fred wrote:

I only defend clean running. Rich Tremain sub 4 15 @ 40 years old. Lives in Guelph.

Mike Tate 53 sec, 4 min mile, 13:34 lives in Guelph. Ran 20 miles @ 6 min pace @ 5000 feet in Utah a couple of days ago.

Those are 2 great runners who are based in Guelph, but what does your comment that have to do with DST? Because you are supporting a coach who acted unethical to the point that they were fired from their job.

Not sure what "clean running" means in your above post as doping or personal hygiene aren't relevant to this discussion.

If we were talking about doping, anyone with an obvious lantern jaw might be a suspected steroid aficionado.

SB wrote:

jesseriley wrote:

Fred’s a creep, but this humiliation is going to toughen him up, just like the abusive coaching philosophy he keeps wishing on young runners.

Poetic justice.

He will also have alienated himself completely from the larger Guelph/SR community-- assuming he ever had more than fanboy (fan-geriatric, if the above is correct) connection. Because they are largely in shock at the moment, and would be horrified by the things he's been saying here. If this is his idea of helping/defending, he's even more delusional than he comes across.

He spent a lot of time on hobbyjogger boards bragging and lying about his running training and fabricated achievements until he was called out on his BS

Seriously? You are saying that because so many others benefitted from his 'amazing' coaching that you should turn a blind eye to something he did seriously wrong? If a doctor rapes a patient, should we let him off the hook because he helped so many others?

CanadaEH? wrote:

fred wrote:

I only defend clean running. Rich Tremain sub 4 15 @ 40 years old. Lives in Guelph.

Mike Tate 53 sec, 4 min mile, 13:34 lives in Guelph. Ran 20 miles @ 6 min pace @ 5000 feet in Utah a couple of days ago.

Those are 2 great runners who are based in Guelph, but what does your comment that have to do with DST? Because you are supporting a coach who acted unethical to the point that they were fired from their job.

Not sure what "clean running" means in your above post as doping or personal hygiene aren't relevant to this discussion.

There is no discussion. No one has stated exactly what he has done.

If you are using the word ethical, I already said that the concept is relative. You go about your daily chores living in illusionary mental constructs,.

PartlyCloudy wrote:

For the record, it's never OK for a coach to date their athletes, it's never condoned, and will result in termination now, or in the future. The sport in general will begin to flourish once we establish a base level of professionalism that ensures we rarely, or hopefully never, have to see these kinds of events again.

It's "never" a great idea to speak in absolutes.

To be clear, if DST had a relationship with a student athlete, he deserved to be fired from UofG. No questions or debate needed.

However, if two consenting adults agree to be in a relationship, then there isn't much AC or AO or anyone else can do about it. Individual clubs may have rules that forbid this and they would be free to terminate their contracts with a coach who breaks this rule however AC or any provincial organization would have a hard time disciplining an adult coach who has a consenting relationship with one of their adult athlete. Key words here are "adults" and "consenting".

Again so I am being 100% clear for you, if DST had a relationship with a student athlete, he is fully in the wrong and deserved to be fired.

I can't believe this Fred Urie character is still posting.

Aside from her S.O., Josh Seifarth, she asked Richard Lee to coach her when she moved for Vancouver. That didn't seem to work out...

Howie Gordy wrote:

Hey who coaches Dayna Pidhoresky?

http://www.daynapidhoresky.com/images/gallery2/5.jpg