The unethical part is the fact that they were told they would be hosting before the bid competition even closed, by a committee stacked with their own lackeys.
The unethical part is the fact that they were told they would be hosting before the bid competition even closed, by a committee stacked with their own lackeys.
it wasn't a ‘bid scandal’ wrote:SB wrote:Really? Let me summarize:-Guelph had two of its personnel on the AC competitions committee, neither of whom had any prior AC committee experience, and neither of whom recused himself from vetting or arguing for Guelph's bid. -Three weeks before the bid deadline, Dave announced to Guelph city council that Speed River had been "asked to host" the 2015-18 AC XC Championships. -Guelph's initial "winning" bid was incomplete (it did not contain a budget), and its course didn't come close to meeting the basic specs. -Our bid was deemed to be superior in every facet by an independent appeal committee. -Money did not change hands in the process, but a lot of money was at stake-- up to 100,000 over 4 years for someone with the skills to leverage the opportunity (which Guelph could, because we actually did.)Where there is smoke, there is fire. We knew it then and everyone knows it now: Dave was willing to lie to get and protect what he wanted.
- sounds like an issue with the AC process- completely irrelevant and no indication of wrongdoing (you’ve added this to obfuscate and sensationalize)- again an issue with AC process- irrelevant to topic of wrongdoing by DST/Guelph- thank you for finally admitting that no brides were used by DST/Guelph to secure the bid...you obviously acknowledge that AC was the one pushing thisSo again, any evidence that the Guelph bid did anything unethical to win the bid? You’ve laid out a solid claim that AC didn’t follow its process, and obviously the appeal showed that.
It’s clear enough, but dst’s enablers are showing how this was covered up for so long.
it wasn't a ‘bid scandal’ wrote:SB wrote:Really? Let me summarize:-Guelph had two of its personnel on the AC competitions committee, neither of whom had any prior AC committee experience, and neither of whom recused himself from vetting or arguing for Guelph's bid. -Three weeks before the bid deadline, Dave announced to Guelph city council that Speed River had been "asked to host" the 2015-18 AC XC Championships. -Guelph's initial "winning" bid was incomplete (it did not contain a budget), and its course didn't come close to meeting the basic specs. -Our bid was deemed to be superior in every facet by an independent appeal committee. -Money did not change hands in the process, but a lot of money was at stake-- up to 100,000 over 4 years for someone with the skills to leverage the opportunity (which Guelph could, because we actually did.)Where there is smoke, there is fire. We knew it then and everyone knows it now: Dave was willing to lie to get and protect what he wanted.
- sounds like an issue with the AC process- completely irrelevant and no indication of wrongdoing (you’ve added this to obfuscate and sensationalize)- again an issue with AC process- irrelevant to topic of wrongdoing by DST/Guelph- thank you for finally admitting that no brides were used by DST/Guelph to secure the bid...you obviously acknowledge that AC was the one pushing thisSo again, any evidence that the Guelph bid did anything unethical to win the bid? You’ve laid out a solid claim that AC didn’t follow its process, and obviously the appeal showed that.
When the IOC was involved in bid scandals, they RECEIVED lots of money, they didn’t give out money.
I do love that the smoking gun was an ‘admission’ in front of city council. Really funny stuff. That’s almost as bad as getting caught with a suitcase of cash with a sign saying ‘bribe money’.
So.... did he bone his athlete(s) or not?!
That's the only real question!
That’s almost as bad as posting under “it wasn’t a bid scandal,” while everyone proves you’re a dumb@ss.
Don’t worry, nothing presented swayed my opinion. I’ll continue to reserve the term ‘scandal’ for things that actually rise to that level.
The Emirs in the Persian Gulf agree, because they were about as involved as you.
it wasn't a ‘bid scandal’ wrote:
When the IOC was involved in bid scandals, they RECEIVED lots of money, they didn’t give out money.I do love that the smoking gun was an ‘admission’ in front of city council. Really funny stuff. That’s almost as bad as getting caught with a suitcase of cash with a sign saying ‘bribe money’.
it wasn't a ‘bid scandal’ wrote:
When the IOC was involved in bid scandals, they RECEIVED lots of money, they didn’t give out money.I do love that the smoking gun was an ‘admission’ in front of city council. Really funny stuff. That’s almost as bad as getting caught with a suitcase of cash with a sign saying ‘bribe money’.
Markkula Centre : " Ethical relativism is the theory that holds that morality is relative to the norms of one's culture. That is, whether an action is right or wrong depends on the moral norms of the society in which it is practiced. The same action may be morally right in one society but be morally wrong in another. "
You could say that the culture of one sub-group is different than that of another, such as in various regions in North America. Example, the morality of of one cloistered religious community might be different than an urban community. Even Steve says that a coach does not teach morality to his athletes because values are particular to himself.
If a 20 year old woman fell in love with a 40 year old man, and vice versa, and they exchanged love letters, would that deep state of attraction not supercede any defined status imposed on them by a corporate expectation. The corporate entity was interested in protecting its own pecuniary objectives, and itself lied to project a public image. Many would say that the corporate entity was immoral depending upon their own grasp of ethics and values.
Therefore, there is nothing to look at here, other than AC.
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Markkula Centre : " Ethical relativism is the theory that holds that morality is relative to the norms of one's culture. That is, whether an action is right or wrong depends on the moral norms of the society in which it is practiced. The same action may be morally right in one society but be morally wrong in another. "You could say that the culture of one sub-group is different than that of another, such as in various regions in North America. Example, the morality of of one cloistered religious community might be different than an urban community. Even Steve says that a coach does not teach morality to his athletes because values are particular to himself.If a 20 year old woman fell in love with a 40 year old man, and vice versa, and they exchanged love letters, would that deep state of attraction not supercede any defined status imposed on them by a corporate expectation. The corporate entity was interested in protecting its own pecuniary objectives, and itself lied to project a public image. Many would say that the corporate entity was immoral depending upon their own grasp of ethics and values.Therefore, there is nothing to look at here, other than AC.
Wow, a dumb@ss brick wall who won't listen to reason AND is drinking the Kool aid at Guelph.
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What a joke that people talk about the XC bid as if it was some grand scandal or conspiracy. Steve Boyd just likes to make himself seem important and a victim of some kind. Get over it, and move it out of this topic. It’s insulting to people who are actually victims that some form of equivalency is being pushed here.
All part of the same power trip, delusions of godhood, we’re untouchable, no one can post anything on trackie, etc.
So it came here. Great strategy!
CanadaEh? wrote:fred wrote:Markkula Centre : " Ethical relativism is the theory that holds that morality is relative to the norms of one's culture. That is, whether an action is right or wrong depends on the moral norms of the society in which it is practiced. The same action may be morally right in one society but be morally wrong in another. "You could say that the culture of one sub-group is different than that of another, such as in various regions in North America. Example, the morality of of one cloistered religious community might be different than an urban community. Even Steve says that a coach does not teach morality to his athletes because values are particular to himself.If a 20 year old woman fell in love with a 40 year old man, and vice versa, and they exchanged love letters, would that deep state of attraction not supercede any defined status imposed on them by a corporate expectation. The corporate entity was interested in protecting its own pecuniary objectives, and itself lied to project a public image. Many would say that the corporate entity was immoral depending upon their own grasp of ethics and values.Therefore, there is nothing to look at here, other than AC.
Coach is the one who decides on scholarships, who gets to travel to big meets and ultimately who is on the team. I shouldn't have to explain why a coach in a relationship with a student athlete is a bad idea. When a coach is in a relationship with an athlete in a university setting that athlete may be getting benefits they might not deserve because of this..
fred wrote:
CanadaEh? wrote:
Coach is the one who decides on scholarships, who gets to travel to big meets and ultimately who is on the team. I shouldn't have to explain why a coach in a relationship with a student athlete is a bad idea. When a coach is in a relationship with an athlete in a university setting that athlete may be getting benefits they might not deserve because of this..
Then, that is the failure of the system, it's rigid and not open. It's been stripped of the human dynamics. Homo sapiens are mammals with biological drives. If the system was open, it would acknowledge that, and not rigidify behaviour. The person above the coach would accept that pair bonding might occur, that everything is in play, and that it's their job to make sure that no benefits are given to the athlete in relationship. So instead of point blank stratifying how everything should occur, they need to go beyond the simplicity of their worldview. It's an environment with brilliant thought;they should catch up.
That's some interesting institutional anthropology. Care to make this argument under your own actual name?
I didn't think so, professor. Now you're just trolling.
I have a question for the guelph apologist, do you really believe that all of this is jealousy from the rest of track community? Perhaps, years of self serving actions, DST or otherwise, has lost the respect of the community and now no one is surprised to see this unfolding, or feels bad for you
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts