Guelph Implodes

I get it re: trackie --not something anybody is obligated to get involved in and maybe the Can/US border is protection enough so people can post responsibly to share information. Complicated for me personally by the way --so I get that too and realize its a lot more complicated and serious for many others who were directly involved.

For those who don’t believe Trackie is censored.... go right now and try to post a thread on anything mentioning Guelph... it won’t see the light of day guaranteed

RollRiver wrote:

For those who don’t believe Trackie is censored.... go right now and try to post a thread on anything mentioning Guelph... it won’t see the light of day guaranteed

Might want to try it in wingdings font to increase your chances :)

Big Yikes wrote:

Former Speed Riverian here. I don't know everything, but from what I know to be true, this is an extremely delicate situation with a ton of grey area. There are good people, kind of good people, and bad people involved. Everything will come out when the time is right. As Wet Coast has said, patience on this. It is difficult...heck even for me. Dave was a huge mentor to me and I'm watching this thread like I'm watching the news. Full respect to Adam at Trackie too. He is one of the good guys. If he doesn't want this on his forum, I believe he is acting in everyone's best interest.

So basically after the Olympics.

What about starting a thread about the track program in White Horse where they have a lot of issues with daylight savings time?

RollRiver wrote:

For those who don’t believe Trackie is censored.... go right now and try to post a thread on anything mentioning Guelph... it won’t see the light of day guaranteed

So go ahead and post whatever it is you have to say about DST, Speed River, U of Guelph right here...

Canadian Bacoon wrote:

So basically after the Olympics.

In a dramatic comeback for the acclaimed television series, Touched by an Angel. Starring Charlie Sheen as DST.

We get it; it's censored. So what? The site isn't obligated to post everything its readers try to put up there. They can decide what threads go up and which they'll take down, for whatever reason they want. In this case it could be the nefarious actions of some evil master manipulator trying to deflect criticism away from his cherished program. Or it could be site moderators and owners deciding they don't want to trade in uncorroborated speculation, rumor, and innuendo and that, instead, they'll wait for verified, factual evidence or stories. That's their right.

RollRiver wrote:

For those who don’t believe Trackie is censored.... go right now and try to post a thread on anything mentioning Guelph... it won’t see the light of day guaranteed

RollRiver wrote:

For those who don’t believe Trackie is censored.... go right now and try to post a thread on anything mentioning Guelph... it won’t see the light of day guaranteed

Did you try starting a thread using a recognized user account? Those don't need to wait for moderator approval.

Does anyone know what the investigation is about? PEDs? Yelling at the athletes? Recruiting violations?

No drugs. ..but bullying of athletes was rampant supposedly. Someone should ask those who fled.

Might be interesting to hear from a guy like Evan Esselink, who in his blog said this: "To no fault but my own, while at Guelph, I didn’t believe in my training. I didn’t have trust in my coach, and never truly “bought in” to the plan that was set in place[."

Outta tha loop wrote:

Does anyone know what the investigation is about? PEDs? Yelling at the athletes? Recruiting violations?

This thread is weird... A bunch of people complaining that they can't talk about it on a different forum, but saying absolutely nothing of substance on this one?

Come on, if you've actually got substantial evidence of something going on, let's hear it. Otherwise, can't see why you're complaining that the Trackie mods aren't allowing your posts. If you want to gossip, go hang out with your besties. What's more important, a proper investigation, or a bunch of anonymous people getting to gossip about it on an internet forum?

Is there an investigation? If so, who is doing it? Who is involved? Are there victims of something? Do you want to drag those people through the mud too? Are they going to be hurt by a public discussion? Are they not coming forward specifically because this is what they're afraid of?

I too was a varsity U of Guelph male runner on the program in the mid to late-2000's. I will state now that i saw nothing that would violate any code of conduct, harassment or rules of sport issues from Dave. He was also a mentor to me, and incredibly impactful in my life. Did he get super passionate / pissed off / ultra-competitive at times? - you bet! Did this piss off some people on the team ? - yep. Did he try (at times) to perhaps work the system to help support his athletes? Maybe - but nothing here would require a leave of absence. I have heard he is dealing with significant personal issues beyond anything to do with the team - but again, hearsay.

I too am watching this remotely and trying to figure out what exactly is going on, beyond a large amount of rumors flying around. But, obviously, none of us on the team (or at least me) at that time (and this is true of any team situation) truly know the truth of what is going on with every single relationship on the team, or between staff, or between coaches and athletes. If something inappropriate happened during any era, i feel so, so bad for that athlete, and justice should be served. That said, if this is nothing more than rumors, then i feel so, so bad for DST and his family and the work he has put into Guelph running and running in Canada.

Athletics Illustrated is investigating. There are previous victims who didn't want to come forward as individuals, but who are now talking to each other behind the scenes and gaining the courage to come forward. Threads like this are giving them a platform for their bravery to realize they aren't alone. If you want the truth to really come out, the pathway has to be welcoming for any victim to come forward, but history rarely shows this to be the case. So far, all that seems to be coming from Guelph is deniability from their administration and coaching staff that this a personal matter for DST, and they will be judged accordingly once the truth has come out about whom they chose to protect.

Guelph Aluminati wrote:

No drugs. ..but bullying of athletes was rampant supposedly. Someone should ask those who fled.

Might be interesting to hear from a guy like Evan Esselink, who in his blog said this: "To no fault but my own, while at Guelph, I didn’t believe in my training. I didn’t have trust in my coach, and never truly “bought in” to the plan that was set in place[."

As I recall that is almost exactly what Haufbaeur said about his time there.

He has done at least one thing in the past that would get any university coach or professor fired if it were to come to light.

I have spoken with national team athletes who are afraid of “rocking the boat” - their words - by speaking out for fear of hurting their chances of making a team.

This is a huge issue in sport; thankfully things are beginning to change.

Guelph Aluminati wrote:

No drugs. ..but bullying of athletes was rampant supposedly. Someone should ask those who fled.

Might be interesting to hear from a guy like Evan Esselink, who in his blog said this: "To no fault but my own, while at Guelph, I didn’t believe in my training. I didn’t have trust in my coach, and never truly “bought in” to the plan that was set in place[."

If you read his blog at the time, it would appear that he was running 60 miles a week. Sully was doing 100 a week for a winter base. So he moved to Vancouver and ran 90 miles a week. Bruchet was asked to train at a faster pace on his rest day. Did that happen to Esselink too? Anyway he ran a 62 half off the new training. When you plateau out, you need to change the stimulus. An athlete can figure that out on his own, and it is his/her responsibility.

Hofbauer coaches himself and learned something in Guelph.

True North:

“I’ve found training with a pace immediately dictates how your workout is going to go. I trained with pace and Strava for years. One day I was running with Eric Gillis [Olympian and one of Canada’s fastest-ever marathoners] in Guelph and he didn’t use pace on his watch so I took it off of mine as well. Removing pace was something that stuck.”

The runner, who’s now self coached, left Speed River and coach Dave Scott-Thomas last year in favour of moving home to Calgary and training himself. “When I went back to Calgary, I started using pace again as an indication of how I was doing. But I didn’t like it at all — it really got into my head. I started comparing previous training blocks to this training block. "

Does anyone know why Megan Brown left Guelph in 2005? At the time it seemed so strange because she won CIS XC as a rookie.

It is my personal suspicion that DST is getting Me Too'ed.