The system failed Alberto Salazar

There will never be a shortage of weak people worshipping as$holes.

First world problems.

Will no one think of the privileged white females who have access to all the resources money can buy? The elite fitness running program told me I was overweight, which made me sad, which led to me being unable to claim the glory that I was entitled to.

I'll save *ALL* of my pity to the far less fortunate people who have sacrificed far more, for far less, with zero recognition.

Joe Hasay wrote:

J Hasay has been running for NIKE for almost seven years now and has NEVER experienced a problem/issue with Alberto Salazar. With any professional sport, it's all about mental toughness. Not everyone has it unfortunately, especially those naysayers who never succeeded or expected much more out of the sport.

Joe Hasay (aka Jordan's Dad)

Thank you for speaking up. I agree.

asdfasdfasdfasdfasdf wrote:

What you dont understand is that NOP was all about business, and Coach Salazar seems to have kept it that way. Have you never heard the phrase "It's business, dont take it personally"?

"seems to have kept it that way"? "all about business"? Seriously?

Business is to tell (selected) athletes to lose weight.

Personal are all his butt comments like:

"Her a-- was hanging out of her uniform"

"had the biggest butt on the starting line"

"I don’t care what the science says! Her butt is too big"

"Her butt is big too!"

Fortunately, this disgusting cheat finally got banned.

Your insane !!!!!

He is a cheater through and through

A brilliant mastermind of how to bend every rule under the sun to stole his sick ego

He is rude offensive and violent

(Fight at indoor nationals a couple years ago ) and cutthroat and brutal

Had Gabe Grunwald disqualified at internationals a couple years ago even though she was the wrong athlete he protested so his athlete could win, but he didn't care and she was disqualified from her only national championships indoor ever

Your thinking is SICK !!!

We all need to own our own behavior!!!!!!

His has been atrocious for decades and finally we have justice served to a criminal

I only wish it was a lifetime ban !!!!!!

I supposed you could say the system (Nike) failed him by ignoring his cocktail of personality disorders and allowing him to operate NOP backed by Nike with literally zero checks or balances.

It is possible ... wrote:

Salazar was the coach. He should have kept Cain as an 800m runner through age 21. What system made either chose Cain to be a miler? I guess the same social pressure that pushed Jim Ryun to be a miler. Salazar chose to give his athletes testosterone massages. I am sure that was his M.O. Pressure to succeed is not the same thing as a system.

Why does the "She should have run the 800" theory come from? In addition to running 4:04, she set HS records at 2 miles and 5000 and finished 2nd at NXN. Any coach, anywhere, would have had her run the 1500. And how would have that changed Cain's outcome? Salazar still would have wanted her to lose weight.

Yeah, mental toughness doesn't help you if you have a stress fracture. Some people here think movie training montages are documentaries. No clue. And to say that 'the system failed Alberto Salazar' is really just a gentle way of saying that there are lots of other clueless a-holes in positions of power.

Dnsnfjdk wrote:

Joe Hasay wrote:

J Hasay has been running for NIKE for almost seven years now and has NEVER experienced a problem/issue with Alberto Salazar. With any professional sport, it's all about mental toughness. Not everyone has it unfortunately, especially those naysayers who never succeeded or expected much more out of the sport.

Joe Hasay (aka Jordan's Dad)

Hi Joe, please say hello to Jordan for me!

That we know of.

Clown Show Circus Stewardess (French Woman) wrote:

Right... because the system failed the meth head; the system failed the dropout; the system failed the vagabond; the system failed the welfare queen; the system failed the minimum-wage worker; the system failed the repeat offender; the system failed the 40-year-old virgin; the system failed everybody. Damn the system!

This, but unironically

Clown Show Circus Stewardess (French Woman) wrote:

Right... because the system failed the meth head; the system failed the dropout; the system failed the vagabond; the system failed the welfare queen; the system failed the minimum-wage worker; the system failed the repeat offender; the system failed the 40-year-old virgin; the system failed everybody. Damn the system! Because people aren't responsible for their actions, and parents aren't responsible for their children. It's the system that's responsible for it all.

Where is that "system" anyway? Let's find it and take it to the guillotine.

These are really poor comparisons. A lot of those things do have systemic flaws. Blame the worker who makes minimum wage? Blame the corporation who makes millions & doesn't share profits.

The difference with Salazar is that we was in a position of power. The system didn't play him. He was a part of setting it up and should be held responsible. Cain is one of many athletes the system failed.

Says a woke lib.

NERunner053 wrote:

These are really poor comparisons. A lot of those things do have systemic flaws. Blame the worker who makes minimum wage? Blame the corporation who makes millions & doesn't share profits.

Why should the corporation be blamed for offering them a job? Workers are compensated with money and if they want a share of the profits of a publicly traded corporation then they can use that money to purchase stock.

I'm a male. Reading Cain's account it seems the problems go beyond just gender. She talks about feeling "trapped". How is she trapped? Is Nike like a Soviet Gulag? It seems like she could have put one foot in front of the other, walked away from it all, booked a plane ticket back home and reassessed her life. Its notable that she has money and apparently a supportive family.

Something doesn't add up here that she spent 3 entire years feeling miserable and trapped. I'm suspicious that her parenting was not all it was cracked up to be. Or maybe it really is economic. If she has a mortgage in an expensive part of Portland and paying for her own tuition at Portland university than even $250K /year can suddenly not seem that much.

As for Nike and Salazar. I don't doubt Cain's allegations except to say that I believe they didn't do any abuse deliberately or consciously. I think Nike wasn't paying any attention to NOP at all. Remember, 15 years ago American T&F was nowhere. Nike had nothing to lose so they gave Salazar some seed money to create NOP and see where it went from there. Salazar himself is literally insane if you just read his own autobiography. I don't know what the psychological term for it would be. But his obsessiveness is off the charts. He has always been like that going back to when he was a young runner. This is a guy who almost literally ran himself to death in 1978. But that just goes to being a bad workplace. Most of us, male and female, experience that in our lives.

For all the Mary Cain whining this past week I'd be willing to bet there are 1000 Kenyans and Ethiopean women that could tell you some REAL horror stories.

Mary is just another runner that couldn't make it. That's all.

We've now reached the next stage of grieving over Alberto Salazaars demise.

We've blown past the presenting misleading evidence, and pointing out others hypocrisy stages so they seem like a distant memory.

The semi-apology to Mary Cain that was really an apology stage was a surprise.

That we've arrived at the system failed him stage was inevitable.

We're not far away from brain damage suffered during the raise he almost died at is the root cause of his actions stage.

Acceptance is still a long ways away.

Long live Al-Sal !!!

Kubler Ross wrote:

We've now reached the next stage of grieving over Alberto Salazaars demise.

We've blown past the presenting misleading evidence, and pointing out others hypocrisy stages so they seem like a distant memory.

The semi-apology to Mary Cain that was really an apology stage was a surprise.

That we've arrived at the system failed him stage was inevitable.

We're not far away from brain damage suffered during the raise he almost died at is the root cause of his actions stage.

Acceptance is still a long ways away.

Unfortunately the denial stage will be permanent.

Besides you saying he has been a disgraceful human for decades do you have any evidence for saying that? Someone could say the same thing about you. I have known him for a long time and wonder if you have ever met him but instead framed your slanderous opinion of him from social media trolls like possibly yourself.