Snowflakes win again? DI Northeast regional XC championships is changed to road race because it snowed

just heard this from one of my former runners. why not? can't very well run in 8 inches snow, right?

My old coach texted me the same tonight. That's really bizarre.

Buffalo shouldn't be hosting this meet. Rotate it between Hammonasset in CT, VCP, and Franklin Park. No need for it to be in a snowtown in the middle of November.

Arishole wrote:

My old coach texted me the same tonight. That's really bizarre.

Buffalo shouldn't be hosting this meet. Rotate it between Hammonasset in CT, VCP, and Franklin Park. No need for it to be in a snowtown in the middle of November.

I agree with this. On the same note, not sure it's great that states for high school in ny is in plattsburgh. Pretty much the northernmost, coldest place possible. and they just happened to have gotten 12 inches of snow Monday night/Tues morning.

high school xc coach wrote:

Arishole wrote:

My old coach texted me the same tonight. That's really bizarre.

Buffalo shouldn't be hosting this meet. Rotate it between Hammonasset in CT, VCP, and Franklin Park. No need for it to be in a snowtown in the middle of November.

I agree with this. On the same note, not sure it's great that states for high school in ny is in plattsburgh. Pretty much the northernmost, coldest place possible. and they just happened to have gotten 12 inches of snow Monday night/Tues morning.

Apparently common sense is non-existent in some of these organizations. Division 3 Atlantic Regional meet is at St. Lawrence in Canton. Also got a foot of snow and is going to be under 20 degrees at race time.

No one thought holding championships in almost Canada in mid-November was a bad idea?

I expect nothing less from a bunch of whiny, liberal snowflakes. Why don’t they just run it on the track, or better yet, just not run at all? I remember running at my hs state meet with 10 inches of snow, and I was just fine.

What’s the chance that Nike is paying the regional organizers to put the race on the roads so Nike schools will be forced to buy the CheaterFlys? Will Nike schools now have an advantage over their counterparts? Will there be a pace car with neon lasers?

WeakNortheastSnowflakes wrote:

I expect nothing less from a bunch of whiny, liberal snowflakes. Why don’t they just run it on the track, or better yet, just not run at all? I remember running at my hs state meet with 10 inches of snow, and I was just fine.

and this is what happens when you ignore common sense:

More about 1987: From almost the moment that word began circulating last night that the Federation cross country meet was being canceled, people began recalling the nightmare that was the 1987 meet at Fayetteville-Manlius.

People who were there will suggest we were lucky that no one died that day. If they're exaggerating, it's not by much. Runners were taken by stretcher to the school gym, where some shook so fiercely from the effects of hypothermia that they appeared to be having seizures.

Only three of the four races -- boys and girls had team and individual races -- wound up being conducted that day as temperatures in the high teens and six inches of snow, at times driven by wicked winds, over- whelmed ambulance and fire department medical personnel with casualties.

Dennis Webster of Clarence was coming off a second-place finish in Class B at the previous weekend's NYSPHSAA championships and remembers the Federation meet vividly.

"Before the racing began, the meet officials made the announcement that they were waiving the uniform rules and runners could wear whatever they wanted to stay warm. Many runners were unprepared and still ran in singlets and shorts and the results were catastrophic," he recalled in a text message Friday. "After the first race the F-M gym was a sea of moaning and frostbitten runners.

"After my race I recall being gathered around a locker room sink with a number of other runners nearly in tears trying to thaw out our hands even though I had warm, thin running gloves. ... The local EMS resources assigned to the meet surveyed the scene and declared they couldn't provide additional services if another race flooded them with more runners needing help. The meet was over at that point."

By that point, the medics were treating as many as 50 runners simultaneously, with six shipped off to area hospitals to be treated for hypothermia or frostbite. One Tottenville girl remained hospitalized for two days with frostbite in both hands.

Astonishingly, meet organizers intended to send competitors in the final scheduled race to the starting line until Manlius Fire Chief Paul Whorrall was called to the scene and demanded an end to the meet. The meet committee relented only after being advised that they faced insurance liability issues by ignoring the fire chief's order.

Okay Boomer

Yep. I was scheduled to run in the last race of the day - the one that got cancelled. It was an out of the blue massive snowstorm with crazy wind chill. That’s why no one was prepared - especially the kids from NYC and Long Island. Kids were almost getting frost bite just trying to jog the course.

I had 1 inch spikes covered in vaseline in my racing shoes as we prepared to try to tackle the over a foot of snow in some places on the course. NY did not try to reschedule the race for those of us who were not allowed to race that day.

WeakNortheastSnowflakes wrote:

I expect nothing less from a bunch of whiny, liberal snowflakes. Why don’t they just run it on the track, or better yet, just not run at all? I remember running at my hs state meet with 10 inches of snow, and I was just fine.

Ok then give us proof. Post a link to results and your name. The weather should be easy enough for us to verify. Prove who you are and how fine you were.

im not sure you know what a boomer is.

North Dakota state meet 1974. Back when men were men and didn’t cry when it got a little cold outside. I wouldn’t expect you to understand it, snowflake.

Just put in an order for CheaterFlys. Who thought making NCAAs was gunna be so easy?

Officially moved to the roads. NCAA just called it

Damn. Before my time and the first time I've heard this story. This is crazy.

What a joke. I've changed the title since it's now been changed and the snowflakes have won the day. The title was initially: DI Northeast regional XC championships possibly going to the roads.After some thought the final title is: "Snowflakes win again?. DI Northeast regional XC championships is changed to road race" because this is up for debate I can't believe this. This is Buffalo. It snowed 9 inches on Monday. That's nothing for them. The race is on Friday. The course pictures look fine to me. One of my most memorable coaching moments was coaching an xc meet in rain/snow. I guess they'll remember it now forever for being a road race but this is disturbing as to how risk averse administrators are becoming. Any boots on the ground in Buffalo? Can someone tell me if the course is truly dangerous? Here is the email the NCAA sent to the coaches.

The NCAA wrote:

Coaches,

After lengthy discussion and review of the conditions at the course in Buffalo, the NCAA Track and Field and Cross Country Committee has made the decision to move from Audubon Golf Course to a road course due to concerns with poor footing, ice and student-athlete safety.

Further information will be disseminated as soon as possible tomorrow morning (Thursday) with updates on parking, course maps, and various options for practice tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon.

We appreciate your understanding as we work to ensure the most safe and fair regional championship experience for the student-athletes.

I’m in Buffalo, I don’t run for UB but do run for another local school.

Yeah, we got snow, but so what? It’s Buffalo, we expect it and actually most runners from here boast about running in awful conditions.

I can almost guarantee that if locals had their way, it would still be run on the course. I suspect they got pressure from out of town schools, coaches and possibly NCAA officials beginning to arrive for the meet. I’m sure it freaking them out.

There’s about 11-12 inches on the course and it’s been below freezing, so I’m sure it’s slippery after being shoveled. Still thinks it’s entirely possible to still run it with spikes. It’s not like the course is in the middle of Lake Ontario