BREAKING - Kara Goucher attacks Ken Goe on Twitter. Denies him interview request

rojo wrote:

jiaaf wrote:

No matter how you slice it, Ken Goe is not a journalist who merits respect. Surely he must understand this.

I know many on here think I'm a Salazar hater but I have to stand up for Goe as a journalist here.

There was nothing wrong with Goe's article. The newsworthy part of the article is Salazar is responding to the fat-shaming allegations. Goe mentioned that Kara Goucher, Amy Yoder Begley and Jackie Areson have all come to Cain's "defense on social media and criticized Salazar’s training methods." He then provided a couple more paragraphs on what they've said.

That's way more of both sides than what the original NY Times story and video had. The NY Times had Cain speaking for 6.5 minutes and then included a single sentence about how Salazar had denied the allegations. "In an email, Alberto Salazar denied many of Mary Cain's claims, and said he had supported her health and welfare."

What did he specifically deny and what did he say? We have no idea as they didn't tell us.

It blows my mind how people can't objectively look at things. If you are demanding that Goe re-interview everyone else who has already shared their views on instagram/twitter then you should at least be demanding that the NY Times specifically say what aspects Salazar denied.

rojo wrote:

jiaaf wrote:

No matter how you slice it, Ken Goe is not a journalist who merits respect. Surely he must understand this.

I know many on here think I'm a Salazar hater but I have to stand up for Goe as a journalist here.

There was nothing wrong with Goe's article. The newsworthy part of the article is Salazar is responding to the fat-shaming allegations. Goe mentioned that Kara Goucher, Amy Yoder Begley and Jackie Areson have all come to Cain's "defense on social media and criticized Salazar’s training methods." He then provided a couple more paragraphs on what they've said.

That's way more of both sides than what the original NY Times story and video had. The NY Times had Cain speaking for 6.5 minutes and then included a single sentence about how Salazar had denied the allegations. "In an email, Alberto Salazar denied many of Mary Cain's claims, and said he had supported her health and welfare."

What did he specifically deny and what did he say? We have no idea as they didn't tell us.

It blows my mind how people can't objectively look at things. If you are demanding that Goe re-interview everyone else who has already shared their views on instagram/twitter then you should at least be demanding that the NY Times specifically say what aspects Salazar denied.

A few points to keep in mind. First, the NYT video was an OPINION piece, not a news article. It was, explicitly, Mary’s opinion from Mary’s point of view. I’d love for the NYT to publish a news piece. But the video was never intended to be that.

Goe’s piece, by contrast, was a news piece. Not opinion. And in that context, taking days to pull together a puff piece - without doing even the journalistic bare minimum of contacting sources who are clearly willing to speak on the record - makes Goe a shill. It is Ken’s job to be the reporter - to report on the allegations from Cain, investigate those allegations (incl by reaching out to sources), and then to seek comment from Salazar and Nike and report on that. It’s not Kara’s job to intuit that he might be writing a story and then call him up to force unsolicited quotes on him. Or to call him after he’s published the puff piece and provide quotes.

Second, God’s snarky twitter exchange was unprofessional. He’s the journalist who couldn’t bother to speak to anyone other than Salazar telling Goucher that she needs to step up and call him? As though it’s her job? As though she hasn’t been stepping up for the best part of a decade as a whistleblower, at significant personal and professional cost? When he’s regularly published pieces that are basically cut and paste from NIke’s corporate communications group for years? Many news outlets have sought comments from Nike about the video. It’s no surprise that Salazar gave an interview to Goe.

Third, letsrun could do a much better job than it has done thus far with respect to whistleblowers. Every thread re Salazar devolves into the Gouchers and Magness are liars, crazy, dopers (in Kara’s case) etc. — even though Kara gave all of her medical records to USADA during the investigation and has publicly stated — again — that she wants WADA and USADA to test her (and any and all other NOP athletes). And even after comments for which she was pilloried (e.g. her comment that someone was threatened — which turned out to be Capriotti threatening Mackey) were repeatedly shown to be true.

I don’t know these people and I have no ties to professional running. I am a fan. It’s not that hard to see that the Gouchers are not the problem.

rojo wrote:

jiaaf wrote:

No matter how you slice it, Ken Goe is not a journalist who merits respect. Surely he must understand this.

I know many on here think I'm a Salazar hater but I have to stand up for Goe as a journalist here.

There was nothing wrong with Goe's article. The newsworthy part of the article is Salazar is responding to the fat-shaming allegations. Goe mentioned that Kara Goucher, Amy Yoder Begley and Jackie Areson have all come to Cain's "defense on social media and criticized Salazar’s training methods." He then provided a couple more paragraphs on what they've said.

That's way more of both sides than what the original NY Times story and video had. The NY Times had Cain speaking for 6.5 minutes and then included a single sentence about how Salazar had denied the allegations. "In an email, Alberto Salazar denied many of Mary Cain's claims, and said he had supported her health and welfare."

What did he specifically deny and what did he say? We have no idea as they didn't tell us.

It blows my mind how people can't objectively look at things. If you are demanding that Goe re-interview everyone else who has already shared their views on instagram/twitter then you should at least be demanding that the NY Times specifically say what aspects Salazar denied.

Coffee Bacon wrote:

rojo wrote:

I know many on here think I'm a Salazar hater but I have to stand up for Goe as a journalist here.

There was nothing wrong with Goe's article. The newsworthy part of the article is Salazar is responding to the fat-shaming allegations. Goe mentioned that Kara Goucher, Amy Yoder Begley and Jackie Areson have all come to Cain's "defense on social media and criticized Salazar’s training methods." He then provided a couple more paragraphs on what they've said.

That's way more of both sides than what the original NY Times story and video had. The NY Times had Cain speaking for 6.5 minutes and then included a single sentence about how Salazar had denied the allegations. "In an email, Alberto Salazar denied many of Mary Cain's claims, and said he had supported her health and welfare."

What did he specifically deny and what did he say? We have no idea as they didn't tell us.

It blows my mind how people can't objectively look at things. If you are demanding that Goe re-interview everyone else who has already shared their views on instagram/twitter then you should at least be demanding that the NY Times specifically say what aspects Salazar denied.

Ya'll have serious skin in the game here, I am simply a fan and participator of sport. My coaching background is quite slim compared to the depth to which these athletes have been ingrained in, so take this with a grain of salt.

I absolutely back up this stance from rojo. If one can spread their word all over various platforms, there should be an open dialogue to the whole conversation. Anytime it's just one sided, with no chance for the other to speak candidly, it takes away from the potential learning that can be taken from this given situation. Kinda like when the rapper T.I. basically made his memo the last 4-5 years, hating and talking trash on President Trump, yet when given the extended hand to go on speak with him, crickets. That really took away from any legitimate standing that could have been played out from both sides.

I have no idea what went on in these training camps between athletes and coaches, but both sides need to be heard. There has absolutely been a trend of one sided blasting to the media the last few years, and it's way out of balance. If there can't be a 2 sided discussion about this, non scripted, just letting both sides air it out, nothing positive will come from retweets and likes, and the "you're so brave" comments.

jiaaf wrote:

rojo wrote:

I know many on here think I'm a Salazar hater but I have to stand up for Goe as a journalist here.

There was nothing wrong with Goe's article. The newsworthy part of the article is Salazar is responding to the fat-shaming allegations. Goe mentioned that Kara Goucher, Amy Yoder Begley and Jackie Areson have all come to Cain's "defense on social media and criticized Salazar’s training methods." He then provided a couple more paragraphs on what they've said.

That's way more of both sides than what the original NY Times story and video had. The NY Times had Cain speaking for 6.5 minutes and then included a single sentence about how Salazar had denied the allegations. "In an email, Alberto Salazar denied many of Mary Cain's claims, and said he had supported her health and welfare."

What did he specifically deny and what did he say? We have no idea as they didn't tell us.

It blows my mind how people can't objectively look at things. If you are demanding that Goe re-interview everyone else who has already shared their views on instagram/twitter then you should at least be demanding that the NY Times specifically say what aspects Salazar denied.

I am addressing a Ken Goe’s body of work as a journalist. Ken has been a sycophant in relation to Alberto as if Nike buttered his bread. He is NOT taken seriously as a journalist by intelligent people and if you cannot recognize that Rojo, then that says a lot about you. Nobody with intelligence is “taking sides.” I certainly am not, as I can just as easily disparage Kara with justification.