Ryan Schoppe runs 14:14.02 5K at the UIL XC State Championship US #2 all time

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4 years ago 11/12/2019 2:17am EST

re: SFAmiler

SFAmiler wrote:
If State was a 5k then we can expect to see similar times across the board and Schoppe run 14:14 or better at NXN South.

That's faulty logic... it's a different course. I admit, the TX State meet was probably short maybe 10-15 seconds--- but if Schoppe ran a 14:3x at FL South, would you still be saying "not a 5K" (even though we all know FL South use to be a quick course).

NXN South:

Sam Worley/Reed Brown ran 15:10/15:11 back in 2016 (but I'm certain things were different that year).

Cheeseman ran 15:34 in 2017 to win.

Jarrett Kirk ran 15:41 to win in 2018.

If Schoppe actually ran sub 15:30, that would be amazing (although it depends on the conditions-courseif any changes are made..

4 years ago 11/12/2019 8:08am EST

re: Oh?

Oh? wrote:
Heracles wrote:
Yeah, I know. Woodbridge is typically argued for being around 2.9 - 2.95 miles.
So now my question is this: what would their times convert to for a 5K? Because just by a quick glance it doesn't appear to be that far off, unless people are insinuating that all the girls had poor races (even though they dominated the state meet 6A race).
For a 5k on the track (because XC courses will vary, but be slower)?
I'd say something like:
18:09 for Cox (ran 18:38.93 at state ~ 30 seconds slower than the track estimate)
18:20 for Holland (ran 17:54.63 at state ~ 25 seconds faster than the track estimate)
18:20 for Lo (ran 18:24.12 at state ~ 4 seconds slower than the track estimate)
18:25 for Foreman (ran 18:14.88 at state ~ 10 seconds faster than the track estimate)
19:02 for McElaney (ran 18:00.73 at state ~ 61 seconds faster than the track estimate)
19:06 for McIlvain (ran 18:19.12 at state ~ 48 seconds faster than the track estimate)
That's pretty inconsistent to say the least. Not sure how you're going to determine how fast/slow the course is based on that, but keep in mind those are estimated 5k times ON THE TRACK -- XC would be slower.

Let's keep in mind that most of the best runners on the girls side weren't at the state meet. Heidi Nielson, Brynn Brown both out and London coming in 7th likely because of her achilles. So those times actually are fast for the girls that made it there.

4 years ago 11/12/2019 10:30am EST

re: Texan38

Texan38 wrote:
Oh? wrote:
For a 5k on the track (because XC courses will vary, but be slower)?
I'd say something like:
18:09 for Cox (ran 18:38.93 at state ~ 30 seconds slower than the track estimate)
18:20 for Holland (ran 17:54.63 at state ~ 25 seconds faster than the track estimate)
18:20 for Lo (ran 18:24.12 at state ~ 4 seconds slower than the track estimate)
18:25 for Foreman (ran 18:14.88 at state ~ 10 seconds faster than the track estimate)
19:02 for McElaney (ran 18:00.73 at state ~ 61 seconds faster than the track estimate)
19:06 for McIlvain (ran 18:19.12 at state ~ 48 seconds faster than the track estimate)
That's pretty inconsistent to say the least. Not sure how you're going to determine how fast/slow the course is based on that, but keep in mind those are estimated 5k times ON THE TRACK -- XC would be slower.
Let's keep in mind that most of the best runners on the girls side weren't at the state meet. Heidi Nielson, Brynn Brown both out and London coming in 7th likely because of her achilles. So those times actually are fast for the girls that made it there.

Last year---

6A race: 19 girls ran sub 18:00; 4 ran sub 17.

5A race: 3 sub 18:00, 1 sub 17

This year---

6A race: 8 sub 18:00, 0 sub 17

5A race: 7 sub 18:00, 0 sub 17

Just for fun:

2017

6A race: 10 sub 18:00, 0 sub 17

5A race: 4 sub 18:00, 1 sub 17

Looks pretty in-line with 2017, despite the #1 girl being over (definitely #1). Girl's are just not as strong as the boys this year.

And anyways, it's been a few years since Texas did really well at NXN. I think 2016 was the last time the boys did, when they put about 4? in the top 10.

4 years ago 11/12/2019 12:24pm EST

re: Lol False

Lol False wrote:
Texas XC is just different.

I love the logic.

4 years ago 11/12/2019 12:53pm EST

re: Best explanator yet

Best explanator yet wrote:
Lol False wrote:
Texas XC is just different.
I love the logic.

It's like one-upping the SEC Football meme, except not only believing it but also lacking the track record to back it up...

4 years ago 11/12/2019 3:37pm EST

re: oatey returns

It is a 3.05 midline measured course, which means you can cut it to low 3 easily.

Our runners GPSs all said stuff like 3.03. It is a 3 mile. Treat it like one.

4 years ago 11/12/2019 4:30pm EST

re: Texas HS Coach

I'm still trying to figure out what Strava he's talking about. Apple watches were banned and not a whole lot of the kids I know wear any other brand. I haven't found a single strava segment from the actual races. I found some other strava segments around the park but if you know the course you can easily exclude those.

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