trollism wrote:
'Taking back control'
'Project fear'
You're basically just parroting the Russian disinformation catchphrases. Also, I have no idea where you're from really, but English isn't your first language. Why the massive interest in British politics?
I am French if you want to know everything. You make me laugh with you russia fearmongering. Nobody fear Russia outside a few neocons and american democrat, are you an american democrat?
Russia is a threat
UK would collaspe without the EU
EU bring peace and prosperity
All are empty sentences and borderline farcical
I know how border control is important. Basically 200 people got slaughtered in Paris because terrorists went from Syria Greece pretending to be refugees, travelled to Belgium, armed themselves to the teeth, entered France without any checks and massacred 200 people.
I have interest in Brexit, because it will show that EU being mandatory for economical success is a myth.
Interested passer-by wrote:
As someone who's interested but doesn't understand British law, is there any way now that they can cancel Brexit completely?
Yes, they can revoke Article 50 of the EU law.
Ahmed ouff daddy wrote:
Akmeden -
Stop stating the EU want a superstate! They do not. Most of the members would never agree to that.
You are a propaganda spreading Moran.
This is the european union end goal.
I don't say they will succeed, it is met by heavy resistance from patriots across all countries. But this is the goal of the top european politicians. So they try to go step by step in an "ever closer union'.
zxcvzvcx wrote:
It was total nonsense to have a vote of such moment, removal from the European Union, and accordingly for a 320 million or more people free trade zone within which there was also free movement of people, even in residency, which gives countless opportunities to British citizens, a zone that has helped to prevent major wars in an area that was the seat of two world wars in the twentieth century and countless national wars prior, with zero details on what would define this removal from the Union and the new policies and agreements needed, all on the strength of 50%+1. In the United States, super majorities are necessary for constitutional change and other weighty matters, with good reason. Brexit passed in total darkness (no knowledge of how it would be negotiated) and with a bare majority. No majority could have been reached with a variety of actual plans agreed to by the EU on the table. They should obviously revote. I do support the Brits and other countries re-taking some of their lost sovereignty, but that's a matter for negotiation on the European scale, not an all or nothing that will be very costly. As for non-EU wealthy nations, that's part of it, that they do not have to extricate themselves from this extraordinarily complex interaction.
That's why the european union is so dangerous. They completely disregard the will of the population in all the countries. They think they are for the "greater good" and don't respect democracy since the poor and the supid population can't understand the greatness of thei federal project.
I remember when we trashed their "european constitution project" by referendum and they still kept many elements of it for another treaty several years after.
Akmeden wrote:
yes..... wrote:
Truck driving example. Yes, this is somewhat true (not quite, as there are still other methods of adjusting tax). However, this is an example of shooting oneself in the foot. The more level playing field actually allows our truck drivers access to the whole of the EU for haulage as well. Leaving the EU, means delays for Haulage, increased fuel costs, and more red tape, less permits, less business for the UK.
So yes, we could get the freedom to stifle our businesses, and have less investment. Why would we choose that though ?
Regarding Poles working here, the UK voted to not restrict immigration, so it's hardly the EUs fault.
What are the medthod? you can't discriminate or tax foreign companies inside the european zone.
The free market inside the european union has killed a lot of jobs in the western Europe because countless factories have been moved to the east of the european union. Basically, German, British, French, Italian have paid for the wealth and growth of Poland and Eastern countries.
Truck companies are competing with Polish driver being paid twice less. The level playing field is in favour of the poorest. It keep the wages low and destroy jobs.
The method is/was, that a levy was introduced for all trucks, so foreign haulage paid towards it, but UK road tax was reduced is my understanding so that foreign haulage was affected, but overall UK haulage was offset by this and no worse off. There are normally means, and we have that control.
But again, you are looking at it the wrong way around. You are wanting to screw all the UK haulage access to the vast EU, in order to preserve the smaller market in the UK. Sure, we'll get great haulage deals with Australia :D
Studies have shown there has been no detriment to UK employment and salaries via labour from the EU, and we've been in it long enough to tell :D. Find me a poor builder in the UK ;).
Akmeden wrote:
trollism wrote:
'Taking back control'
'Project fear'
You're basically just parroting the Russian disinformation catchphrases. Also, I have no idea where you're from really, but English isn't your first language. Why the massive interest in British politics?
I am French if you want to know everything. You make me laugh with you russia fearmongering. Nobody fear Russia outside a few neocons and american democrat, are you an american democrat?
Russia is a threat
UK would collaspe without the EU
EU bring peace and prosperity
All are empty sentences and borderline farcical
I know how border control is important. Basically 200 people got slaughtered in Paris because terrorists went from Syria Greece pretending to be refugees, travelled to Belgium, armed themselves to the teeth, entered France without any checks and massacred 200 people.
I have interest in Brexit, because it will show that EU being mandatory for economical success is a myth.
Jeez, the UK isn't part of Schengen. There are border controls here. You have been reading some weird sites.
yes..... wrote:
Akmeden wrote:
I am French if you want to know everything. You make me laugh with you russia fearmongering. Nobody fear Russia outside a few neocons and american democrat, are you an american democrat?
Russia is a threat
UK would collaspe without the EU
EU bring peace and prosperity
All are empty sentences and borderline farcical
I know how border control is important. Basically 200 people got slaughtered in Paris because terrorists went from Syria Greece pretending to be refugees, travelled to Belgium, armed themselves to the teeth, entered France without any checks and massacred 200 people.
I have interest in Brexit, because it will show that EU being mandatory for economical success is a myth.
Jeez, the UK isn't part of Schengen. There are border controls here. You have been reading some weird sites.
And this is actually the weird irony. The UK isn't part of Schengen, and wants to leave due to border control. The rest of the EU that is in Schengen with no border controls wants to stay :D.
Ultimately also, if Putin and Trump want you to leave, you know it's a bad thing :D
Akmeden wrote:
Ahmed ouff daddy wrote:
Akmeden -
Stop stating the EU want a superstate! They do not. Most of the members would never agree to that.
You are a propaganda spreading Moran.
This is the european union end goal.
I don't say they will succeed, it is met by heavy resistance from patriots across all countries. But this is the goal of the top european politicians. So they try to go step by step in an "ever closer union'.
Keep your nose on your own cuntries affairs your dirty French bastd.
The economic regulations imposed by the EU are harmful to the UK. Whether the country benefits from leaving will depend on whether they use their independence to move toward or away from economic freedom. What all humans need are individual freedom, not mindless “unity” with people in other countries.
iflyboats wrote:
The economic regulations imposed by the EU are harmful to the UK. Whether the country benefits from leaving will depend on whether they use their independence to move toward or away from economic freedom. What all humans need are individual freedom, not mindless “unity” with people in other countries.
Which regulations are harmful ?
"That's why the european union is so dangerous. They completely disregard the will of the population in all the countries."
You have it all wrong. The will of the people does not matter at all, unless that will is for allowing everyone to do what they want as long as it doesn't violate the rights of anyone else. Think about it this way, suppose the "will" of people was that women could not drive a car? It's their will so that should be law? It's not the greater good also. It's simply the right of everyone, as noted above, to do whatever they want. Protection of this right is the only "greater good".
yes..... wrote:[/b
Which regulations are harmful ?
All regulations are harmful. We live in a very un-enlightened era where most people believe stupid things about economics.
Yes.... wrote:
The problem with this logic, is that it's the case that the UK is strong BECAUSE it's in the EU. Remove that, and you have lost one of the main strengths, and why many invest here.
Basically all the investment in the UK has dried up, lots of manufacturing, e.g cars is moving elsewhere. Even the Brexit supporters are moving their funds elsewhere, and businesses elsewhere, and this is BEFORE we have even left.
Why would you make it more difficult to trade with your neighbours, why screw up your largest export partners (46% I think). It makes absolutely no sense. If you want to trade with the EU, you have to follow their regulations anyway! So whilst Brexiters will claim there will be less regulations, there will be more.
The problem with the Brexit supporters, is that they constantly think the UK can bargain from a position of strength, when as we've seen with negotiations, we're negotiating from complete weakness. The EU can take the hit, it's only a small proportion of their trade, but to us, it's huge.
Then there's the problem of the UK itself. It's now fragmenting, and probably the end of the UK itself. Northern Ireland is in a weird place, and Scotland will have a referendum and leave the UK, and rejoin the EU. Why would anyone invest here.
Ultimately we're hitting the same problem as the U.S with Trump. Media having too much power, and politics just always being a simple divisive 2 way split, when the issues aren't that simple. Now we have Johnson, a complete idiot in control.
Now, I suspect it won't be as doom and gloom as some say. People are pragmatic when it comes to business, but the UK will have to go through some very lean and hard times in the near future.
A very solid assessment.
yes.... wrote:
"If anything, it brought wealth to Germany and eastern countries, and costed France, Italy and the UK a lot of money with ultra liberal and capitalist policies."
So you need to explain, why did Germany do well out of it, and the UK didn't ? What advantages did Germany have within the EU that the UK didn't ?
Germany had a super sweet deal in the run up to the Euro in terms of what exchange rate the new currency was locked vs the then DM, unlike other countries which got screwed up. Which is why, just to make an example, Italy hasnt had any real growth over the last twenty years and Germany has been exporting the hell out of this favourable setup.
Now it happens Germany is sh*tting itself because they might lose out to one of their bigger export markets (UK) not to say the spillover effect of other country thinking to follow UK out of the EU and break the whole thing apart.
KAV wrote:
yes.... wrote:
"If anything, it brought wealth to Germany and eastern countries, and costed France, Italy and the UK a lot of money with ultra liberal and capitalist policies."
So you need to explain, why did Germany do well out of it, and the UK didn't ? What advantages did Germany have within the EU that the UK didn't ?
Germany had a super sweet deal in the run up to the Euro in terms of what exchange rate the new currency was locked vs the then DM, unlike other countries which got screwed up. Which is why, just to make an example, Italy hasnt had any real growth over the last twenty years and Germany has been exporting the hell out of this favourable setup.
Now it happens Germany is sh*tting itself because they might lose out to one of their bigger export markets (UK) not to say the spillover effect of other country thinking to follow UK out of the EU and break the whole thing apart.
This isn't explaining anything to do with Brexit and the UK, nor why it should leave. The UK doesn't use the Euro. Even irrespective of this, those countries want to stay in the EU.
Free_the_thigh wrote:
The fact it has been several years since the vote and nothing has been accomplished is exactly why they need to leave.
If the EU wasn’t a leach they wouldn’t fight so hard to keep Britain from leaving.
The exact opposite is true. The fact the Brexiteers have no plan or strategy beyond “taking their country back” is why it has taken so long.
X-Runner wrote:
I'm really ignorant wrote:
Seems to me it would make sense they'd want to govern themselves again.
They still governed themselves.
The EU is a trade agreement under a shared currency.
Leaving the EU makes it harder to do all transactions outside their country.
Imagine if you could only work and buy things in your neighborhood and it was difficult to bring things in and out of other states.
It limits what you can do economically.
This, lots of straw man arguments from American pro Brexit fan boys, but the above is correct.
iflyboats wrote:
yes..... wrote:[/b
Which regulations are harmful ?
All regulations are harmful. We live in a very un-enlightened era where most people believe stupid things about economics.
Erm ok oO. Glad to have such enlightened people chipping in.
Gets coat.