Explosive New York Times article: Mary Cain breaks silence about NOP

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

Dril wrote:

Did you even read the transcript or watch the video? One of the allegations is that they WEIGHED in front of everyone. There was also an incident where he berated her for gaining 5 pounds in front of the team after a poor race.

Holy smokes, dont comment if you cant bother to educate yourself on the material.

Have you ever been a female athlete on a male-dominated team?

isn't every running team male dominated?

When she signed with Nike, I just wondered what her parents were thinking and as far as I could tell it had something to do with Salazar being a Roman Catholic, so they trusted him. Alberto Salazar certainly does not coach like he places religious faith ahead of winning at any cost and anyone familiar with his history knew that this was a very bad fit. It worked fine for the short term when she was doing Salazar written workouts with John Henwood in New York, living at home with her family and having a nice guy and fine athlete actually implementing them. The issue is all the other things that Salazar in person brings to the table.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

The issue is all the other things that Salazar in person brings to the table.

Such as?

Sad story for Miss Cain. For those thinking that women losing their period is something odd that only NOP experienced is not close to reality. Many women get themselves into that condition, and not eating enough is the reason. It has ruined many women in the sport.

The challenge is, of course, if you are lighter, you go faster. Stay in that state too long and you body will break. Long term effects are not good either (increased osteoporosis, fertility issues). Like parents with boys that have concerns about them playing football, parents of girls should understand there are potential health dangers in distance running at high levels.

Anyone that can read history books can see much of the restrictions on women distance running were long term health risks of distance running to women.

Historically, people also argued that "professionals" in sports would ultimately ruin the sport altogether. Surveying Athletics, we have rampant illegal drug use, people being treated like race horses, eating disorders, etc. All efforts many lives to go faster around a track is not the sign of our human capital being put into its best use.

Obviously, we have decided against these concerns, but they were not 100% incorrect. Some of these issues have merit, and perhaps we shall look at them again.

I disagree that a woman CEO at Nike or USATF would solve everything. Sort of a throwaway line at the end of an important discussion that highlights the perils of women running which has been evident the last 35-40 years. No reason to make that the main thrust of one's rebuttal against Miss Cain.

I hope Miss Cain finds peace with her life.

PULLING THE WHITE WOMEN CARD.

in other words you don't deny not reading the transcript or watching the video. for reference you said "they might not have seen it" not, "maybe they were to afraid to come forward because they were female athletes on male dominated teams...."

maybe next time either read the article or choose your words more carefully.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

When she signed with Nike, I just wondered what her parents were thinking and as far as I could tell it had something to do with Salazar being a Roman Catholic, so they trusted him. Alberto Salazar certainly does not coach like he places religious faith ahead of winning at any cost and anyone familiar with his history knew that this was a very bad fit. It worked fine for the short term when she was doing Salazar written workouts with John Henwood in New York, living at home with her family and having a nice guy and fine athlete actually implementing them. The issue is all the other things that Salazar in person brings to the table.

What she's doing now:http://caitchock.com/

LM wrote:

DifferentStrokes wrote:

https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a20841935/what-its-like-to-be-coached-by-alberto-salazar/

There you go.

Such a different account as to be irreconcilable almost. One of these days perhaps the full details will come to light.

To think of all the people who could have advised her, taught her about what was happening, including me.

It's sad. Just do what makes you happy in your sport.

Zola Budd is another one who would have made a great mentor, and more, because she was used and abused, too, by her father, her coach(es), and more.

The problem is not that they did “weigh ins” in front of people, the problem is how we as a society have gotten to a place where we are devastated about others knowing our weight. As a kid we did public weigh ins for football every year. I never once thought about what others thought but maybe I was the odd man out. Coach called out our weight and we made the team or we didn’t. Obviously I am not a girl so I can’t relate but damn as one of the best runners in the world you just wish she could have been proud of herself enough to not care what the scale said. Getting people to that state of mind should be the goal rather than pretending HEALTHY race weight isn’t a real meaningful thing in the sport of running. It’s also important to know more of the story. Did she gain 5lbs and was heavier than her HEALTHY race weight or was she underweight and starving and put on 5 lbs to Albertos dismay. Very touchy subject for a male/female coaching relationship but how many people would find it inappropriate if a male coach and male runner had that same discussion? It probably wouldn’t make the NY Post if a male coach yelled at a male runner that he gained 5.

Nike is an evil cabal. I've known it since 1985. Mary got eaten up by a machine. When I read the NYT article a couple years ago where Salazar was saying Mary could run 3:50, I knew she was doomed. Salazar could never pass even a routine mental evaluation. Josef Mengele couldn't either. I see comparisons.

Nike is sponsoring the USATF for what? The next 40 years? That's beyond sick. The sport has sold it's soul. There are no world class 100m dashes where someone isn't doping. Gatlin is running 9.85 at 38 years old? You can't tell me Rupp and Mo aren't gacked to the gills. Look up to those guys? That's a freaking joke.

victimization is not a virture wrote:

Just to clarify, she's blaming someone else for her failures and has decided to be a victim? Do I have this right?

I dare you to actually think about the details of what AlSal did.

unreal? What's next? wrote:

This is shocking news. An athlete and a coach didn't work out. This must be the first time this has happened in all of sports.

I don't believe this is a real take. I know you're sarcastic, but that's the entire point of her coming out about it - it's systemic abuse.

The Parents...? wrote:

It all comes down to one thing: Where were the parents?

In this situation, it sounds like they spoke up and saved her from a terrible situation. AS gets paid to make fast runners and win gold medals. He is not a dad. He is not a pharmacist. He is not a doctor.

He is a dad. Just a poor one as he used his sons as guinea pigs for his experiments with testosterone gel.

sleazazar wrote:

Quite the posting pattern. All about the deflection.

Yes. The Nike shills are getting warmed up - wait for tomorrow!

thanks sherlock

a bloo bloo wrote:

Mary Cain said:

I got caught in a system designed by and for men which destroys the bodies of young girls

Alberto isn't representative of all men. Why can't it be about making the sport better for everyone?

I agree with your perspective, but it's misdirected in this case.

The training program Salazar ran was great for Rupp, Yomif, Levins, etc., but it destroyed the bodies of women involved.

I can't believe what I am reading, I always thought Alberto Salazar was just like Bill Rodgers in just run for the enjoyment, Eat Frozen Pizza with Mayonnaise and a box of Chocolate Chip Cookies, your going to run off the calories anyway, IF what she is saying is true, then personality wise Salazar was VERY Different than Rodgers, it in fact makes Salazar sound like a jerk, not the eat what you want, run a lot HAVE FUN, but still be VERY COMPETITIVE, This kind of makes Salazar and Rodgers seem like 2 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES, when I always thought they were the same Have Fun eat as you please, run a lot and compete the best you can.

MarathonMan411 wrote:

but how many people would find it inappropriate if a male coach and male runner had that same discussion? It probably wouldn’t make the NY Post if a male coach yelled at a male runner that he gained 5.

I would. Because I've been there. Body shaming, public humiliation, unhealthy relationship with food. I don't know the statistics, but this problem does exist on men's teams. It existed on mine. It was equally physically and psychologically damaging, though men are perhaps less likely to admit a problem due to cultural norms of "sucking it up."

????? wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

The issue is all the other things that Salazar in person brings to the table.

Such as?

Being a drug cheat and liar, for starters. Fortunately that cheat finally got banned, though only for four years for now.