Explosive New York Times article: Mary Cain breaks silence about NOP

.Trump2020OP-the real one....... wrote:

There's only one solution to this problem. Mary needs a new mentor/coach, say David Goggins. Life's not easy so "Stay Hard."

T.M.A.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.

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Mary says "This Nike team was the top running program in the country and yet we had no certified sports psychologist, there was no certified nutritionist. It was really a bunch of people who were Alberto’s friends. "

Later she says "it was also that night that I told Alberto and our sports psych that I was cutting myself and they pretty much told me that they just wanted to go to bed."

In a 2015 NYT article about Mary it says " Darren Treasure, the Oregon Project’s sport psychologist, talks or texts with Cain frequently, checking on her mind-set and the progress of her workouts."

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/08/magazine/mary-cain-is-growing-up-fast.html

What is the deal with Darren Treasure? Is he a legit psychologist or just a friend of Alberto?

Sesamoiditis wrote:

Mary says "This Nike team was the top running program in the country and yet we had no certified sports psychologist, there was no certified nutritionist. It was really a bunch of people who were Alberto’s friends. "

Later she says "it was also that night that I told Alberto and our sports psych that I was cutting myself and they pretty much told me that they just wanted to go to bed."

In a 2015 NYT article about Mary it says " Darren Treasure, the Oregon Project’s sport psychologist, talks or texts with Cain frequently, checking on her mind-set and the progress of her workouts."

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/08/magazine/mary-cain-is-growing-up-fast.html

What is the deal with Darren Treasure? Is he a legit psychologist or just a friend of Alberto?

He may have a psychology degree but it doesn't mean he's board certified.

DC Wonk wrote:

I was giving Salazar some benefit of the doubt in the past, but this latest info did it for me -- he's an abuser and should not be coaching anyone again. I feel sorry that Cain did not have a good support system that could recognize what was going on, and that none of the other older runners there tried to intervene.

Besides abusive running coaches, especially for females, let's also take a close look at figure skating. Another sport where weight is constantly an issue, and female skaters are made to feel like losers unless they can stay ultra light.

The problem is: it is almost impossible to win medals without such training methods. If someone wants to be the best, he/she has to put everything aside and fix on training, diet etc. Maybe NOP was too tough, but that was common in many training groups. I have seen documentals about gymnastics in the Soviet Union - the same thing, rude with girls, but olympic medals. If America wants to have great runners - there should be strong group of talents who will undergo similar extra-tough training. Some will brake and give up, but some will growth to be winners. Do you thing Kenia has different approach? Train hard, and if you can not win - you are loser. Bye.

rojo wrote:

kl wrote:

Magness: Coward

Julian: Coward

I've added an editor's note to thie post above.

Editor's note: We have no idea why the poster is criticizing Magness for anything that has to do with Cain as Magness left the NOP in 2012 and Cain joined in 2013.

ROJO can you explain why you are ok with this thread evolving over unsubstantiated claims yet you guys removed the thread earlier this week comparing Rupp and Hall, and how Hall might have been dirty too?

Good post overall. I think this a a great post and sums it up. There are a lot of factors that affect running success and there is not a one size fits all solution. Success at a young age is probably wonderful for the moment, but in her case it was too much too soon. Even though her performances were that of a seasoned female athlete, the reality is they were from a 17 y/o girl who had some very complex emotions as most young girls do. I agree, in general shielding young people from a profession until they are ready is a good idea. College does that. I am not sure the parents figured they could outsmart anything, but I think they were very naive about what she was getting into and didn't consider strongly if she was ready for it. I am also inclined to think that her environment (Nike/NOP/Parents/AS/etc) failed her. They should have been much more aware of what was going on.

uh oh

Definitely some issues the sport needs to be aware of, and her message is powerful. Maybe weight divisions are the answer I’m not sure. On the flip side..... No doubt she is another snowflake. The video is a little too dramatic for me. You think a boxer gets yelled at when he gains 5 lbs before a big fight? Oh wait, we can’t say anything to her because she is female and sensitive. We have to tip toe around female topics of weight and feelings regardless if they are true. Five extra lbs at a world class level is slower, sorry if that hurts snowflakes but that’s what we are looking at in the Pro Running World.... and EVERYONE knows it by the time they turn Pro. Alberto just keeping it real like men did during his era.... where the truth is the truth regardless of feelings. Running now needs a safe space.

Pretty sure that African women train much harder than our soft women.

Ok, Boomer. Triggered much? Bye

I don’t remember Hassan being heavy. How much weight has she lost during her time with NOP?

maybe just maybe keeping the 5 pounds on today would allow that person to not get injured and train more and be more successful in years down the road, but men of the past can only ask "what can you do for me now?"

What are you smoking? wrote:

ropes and chins are the same wrote:

Not for runners. Seb Coe was never able to climb a rope without using his legs and arms. Brendan Foster couldn't climb one AT ALL.

Who climbs a rope without using their arms and legs? What are they climbing with, their teeth?

OK. For the morans…. He couldn't climb a rope without using his arms AND legs. Is that better, pumpkin?

dasdasdsadadaadsd wrote:

rojo wrote:

I've added an editor's note to thie post above.

Editor's note: We have no idea why the poster is criticizing Magness for anything that has to do with Cain as Magness left the NOP in 2012 and Cain joined in 2013.

ROJO can you explain why you are ok with this thread evolving over unsubstantiated claims yet you guys removed the thread earlier this week comparing Rupp and Hall, and how Hall might have been dirty too?

Nike deflection.

Supertramp wrote:

Yep, this thread is about as toxic as I thought it would be.

Good for Mary Cain.

Alberto is a horrible human being. Ban him forever.

No amount of medals or success is worth living like this, let alone risking somebody's life altogether.

Glorify sports all you want, they're just games at the end of the day.

THIS.

Posters here can try to justify Alberto/Nike/excessive weight loss however they want, but I'm not comfortable with this being a part of running culture. If athletes get slower but live healthier, happier lives, so be it. It's just a game at the end of the day.

I'm in full agreement with Cain. Systemic change is needed.

You've got some obvious issues. Get them looked at asap.

The video was not of her sitting in a room with a reporter one on one, so if the drama bothers you go cry to your boyfriend.

Please take your meds as missing as dose has proven to bring out your normal demented tendencies.

Sorry should have done a search.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9575144

Lenny Leonard wrote:

the article wrote:

A big part of this problem is that women and girls are being forced to meet athletic standards that are based on how men and boys develop.

Salazar may be a lot of things, but there is no way that he misunderstands how female and male athletes differ in their development.

Why do you say that?

I've read many criticisms of college coaches on this site for many years. It seems that this problem of not understanding women and their development is pretty common.

Salazar sounds like he should be banned for good.

A little dramatic for you?

Who are you? And why should we care?

She sounds well adjusted and pretty articulate. I suspect you were never a good enough athlete to understand much of what she was saying.