Toxic Masculinity Is the Real Problem Behind Women's Harassment

A person expressing shock and frustration that there is crime on earth.

I think we all agree that there should not be rape and murder on earth. I am also frustrated with disease and death. Who is to blame for these things.

WhyRegisterHere? wrote:

Wow, look at the Super Woke Champion.

Making the world better, one divisive and tribal post at a time...

Harambe wrote:

I love these threads because it's just dudes misrepresenting the article and then blowing their tops about some words on a page.

Proves the authors point: many cultures propagate ideas and norms that encourage over-aggressiveness and entitlement in males. The degree to which it manifests clearly varies a lot but the defensiveness on display here is excellent evidence.

Exhibit A. Thank you for engaging with my commentary in a meaningful way.

All you have to do is not get butthurt when people point out how some societal ills disproportionately affect their group (and not yours). It's really that straightforward.

browski wrote:

browski wrote:

I found the article unbelievably racist as the only murdered women it only mentioned were those killed by men of color. What about all the women killed by white me while running??? How do they omit all those??? Shameful, RW.

*men, not "me".

Freudian slip?

As Men Are Canceled, So Too Their Magazine Subscriptions

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/02/style/mens-magazines.html?action=click&module=Editors%20Picks&pgtype=Homepage

“How do you make a so-called men’s magazine in the thick of what has justifiably become the Shut Up and Listen moment?” wrote Will Welch, the editor of GQ, in a cri de coeur introduction to this month’s “New Masculinity” issue. “One way we’ve addressed it,” he continued, “is by making a magazine that isn’t really trying to be exclusively for or about men at all.

So gender fluid it’s soggy, the 128-page issue might well have been themed “No Masculinity,” with its androgynous cover image of Pharrell Williams looking like an inverted tulip in a floor-length yellow Moncler Pierpaolo Piccioli coat, followed by ruminations on the “weaponized” male body by Thomas Page McBee, a transgender writer and boxer; a defense of makeup for men by EJ Johnson, Magic Johnson’s son whose fashion tastes run toward fur shawls and diamond chokers; and a debunking of the power of testosterone itself by Katrina Karkazis, a cultural anthropologist and author.

https://twitter.com/GQMagazine/status/1183714099936530435?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1183714099936530435&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2019%2F11%2F02%2Fstyle%2Fmens-magazines.html

10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

Missed my point entirely, but that's OK. Get OUT of your tribal bubble, dope. Tribalism and intersectionalism and identitarianism are all poison. Your points are dripping that poison.

Harambe wrote:

WhyRegisterHere? wrote:

Wow, look at the Super Woke Champion.

Making the world better, one divisive and tribal post at a time...

Exhibit A. Thank you for engaging with my commentary in a meaningful way.

All you have to do is not get butthurt when people point out how some societal ills disproportionately affect their group (and not yours). It's really that straightforward.

Co-Flounder wrote:

I say welcome to the world lady.

How about assholes will be assholes? It’s their nature. I’m a large man and have had people yell crap at me while running. It happens to everyone.

Dating myself but, harassing runners got 20x more popular after that damn Forrest Gump movie.

yeah gosh men in their 20s particularly white men guhhhhh are like really bad and stuff we all hate them they're so toxic omgggggggggg

What a ridiculous article. It reminds me of a video which was posted on Youtube a couple years ago who showed video of a chunky Jewish girl walking through New York City for hours and showing all of the harassment she received. However, if I remember correctly, all of the harassment she received was from black or Hispanic guys, none of it was from white guys. Yet some "toxic masculinity" articles were written at the time, blaming all men for this harassment.

Based on some of the details in the article, I am assuming that the guy who was running wasn't white - what white man would listen loudly to Drake or would say, "Daaamn, baby!?"

agfasfasdfasdfd wrote:

10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

This is the video I remember. It is absurd to blame men as a whole for this harassment when the only men who harassed this girl were black or possibly Puerto Rican

Or how about don't live in NYC? A lot of this is environmental, not necessarily race or culture (or at least culture that is only specific to that area). I mean I am sure this happens to some extent in any major city but isn't it pretty well known NYC is a sh!t hole? What kind of behavior can you expect from people who grow up in that environment?

"Intrigued, I turned to page 41 and found 23 pages addressing this topic. The article cited by the OP was probably the worst and left me shaking my head in disbelief. Basically, the message was, "I don't feel safe while running. Men can feel safe, but I can't! It's not fair! Somebody (not me!), do something about it!""

When I look for a place to live, it's a requirement for me that I can feel safe running in my neighborhood in the early morning and after dark. That means suburbs or rural, not cities. For me, it has nothing to do with toxic masculinity. What scares me? Homeless people. Homelessness is a major and growing problem in my city, and it's spreading to the burbs where I live. Mentally ill people out at all hours. Just scary if you are a woman running alone. The refusal of major west coast cities to address this problem (Seattle, San Francisco, LA, etc.), is in my opinion extremely sexist.

Self-defense is not a bad suggestion. Personally, I figure I can outrun most people who might bother me, and that's what I consider to be my best weapon. At 120 pounds, engaging in hand-to-hand combat is definitely not my first choice.

More educated than you wrote:

I could tell you so much about you based on your post.

And you would be WRONG.

Congratulations for being a moron!

HONK HONK

Be helpless and blame others. wrote:

Being responsible for yourself is the anthesis of the liberal’s core belief. That’s not a joke or an exaggeration.

It's more accurate to say that liberals think that many problems we think of as individual are societal problems, and that the effective way to address them is as a society.

In this example, of course women should have situational awareness and basic self defense knowledge (just like men should). But the argument is that that's not enough, as it's putting all of the burden on the individual -- who is just trying to exist -- and none on the society. It's not fair to put the burden on women without acknowledging why attacks on them are so prevalent, which is a societal problem driven by a subset of (almost exclusively) men.

Do you think we shouldn't be having a conversation about this at all?

"Have a conversation about" is academic identitarian-speak for mob-style swarm attack through virtue-signaling. No thank you, I have no interest in SJW 'conversations', thank you very much.

The author feels uneasy in certain situations. And? The world is sometimes a frightening, dangerous place. None of us are entitled for it not to be. If she wants to falsely generalize that reality to smear all men she might encounter, that's her problem, and it will make her a bitter, ugly person over time. Again, her problem.

WhyRegisterHere? wrote:

The author feels uneasy in certain situations. And? The world is sometimes a frightening, dangerous place. None of us are entitled for it not to be. If she wants to falsely generalize that reality to smear all men she might encounter, that's her problem, and it will make her a bitter, ugly person over time. Again, her problem.

This post got me thinking about women running in other places in the world. (Serious question) What do women in Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Saudi, etc. do? Do only the rich families who can afford compounds or indoor treadmills have female runners? Surely there are some, right?

Would a woman be permitted to run on the public roads in Saudi? Alone? I'm guessing females only run on treadmills there. I've been there a number of times and have never seen a woman unaccompanied and totally covered, certainly have never seen one running on the road. Is running even a consideration in Somolia, Sudan or Yemen? Highly doubtful, for anyone in those places. But OMG the author feels ambiguously unsafe around men while running in major metros of the US! The horror! Only in the US and Europe do we have the luxury of supporting SJW identitarians. They could not exist in any other part of the world. If we find ourselves in an all-out war, these divisive weaklings will cause our collective downfall.

myNameIsNotSteve? wrote:

WhyRegisterHere? wrote:

The author feels uneasy in certain situations. And? The world is sometimes a frightening, dangerous place. None of us are entitled for it not to be. If she wants to falsely generalize that reality to smear all men she might encounter, that's her problem, and it will make her a bitter, ugly person over time. Again, her problem.

This post got me thinking about women running in other places in the world. (Serious question) What do women in Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Saudi, etc. do? Do only the rich families who can afford compounds or indoor treadmills have female runners? Surely there are some, right?

Someone else is always the problem.