BREAKING - WADA TO INVESTIGATE ALL NOP ATHLETES

lanovien wrote:

Y'all think Galen's silver and bronze will be stripped?

No, for he is protected by the Lord because of Nike and Mo. No worries.

lanovien wrote:

Y'all think Galen's silver and bronze will be stripped?

If they do, then Farah's double/double goes as well.

When will wada investigate East Africa? Or will they let athletics slide into being an even bigger joke? As of now any people that are left watching the sport know it's a complete fabrication.

"Farah has never failed a drugs test and has always strongly denied breaking any rules." I've heard this song before.

ncrecuvuer wrote:

waddleOff wrote:

Yes, and anytime I hear about whole countries not being able to test OOC I assume that their athletes are clean.

+1

Shoot, if they're the most tested athletes on Earth with no doping positives, they must have a helluva sophisticated doping regimen. I think it's funny how they pushed the infusion limit on a perfectly legal drug, then did a testosterone experiment, but everyone acts like all the athletes over there are taking EPO with some masking agent no one has ever heard off.

Mo was tested again over the weekend. Somebody knows something is up.

Subway Surfers wrote:

"Farah has never failed a drugs test and has always strongly denied breaking any rules." I've heard this song before.

I'm as anti-NOP as they come. However, never having failed a drug test is evidence in support of the claim that he doesn't take drugs. It's not decisive but it counts, otherwise passing or failing a drug test would not say anything whatsoever about whether one did or didn't take drugs.

Investigations are warranted. If Mo cooperates with a reasonable investigation (an example of being patently unreasonable would be asking for his children's medical records), and they are unable to find persuasive evidence that he doped, then that goes a long way towards exonerating him in the eyes of most people, i.e., it is a mark of intellectual dishonesty to only accept a conclusion that agrees with one's preconceived notions.

Jabba jabba wrote:

When will wada investigate East Africa? Or will they let athletics slide into being an even bigger joke? As of now any people that are left watching the sport know it's a complete fabrication.

I would go with option 2, if a bigger joke were imaginable.

Subway Surfers wrote:

"Farah has never failed a drugs test and has always strongly denied breaking any rules." I've heard this song before.

Haha, yes, and Mo is one of the worst, so many smoking guns, I lost count.

Subway Surfers wrote:

"Farah has never failed a drugs test and has always strongly denied breaking any rules." I've heard this song before.

I kind of remember a little known cyclist from Texas, what was the chaps name??? Armstrong, or something, that used to say the exact same thing. (end of sarcasm)

rekrunner wrote:

This may very well be one outcome -- that WADA reviews the AAA panel findings, USADA's evidence, including the exhibits, witness testimonies, transcripts; Salazar's evidence; combined with athlete data in ADAMS, and accepts the thoroughness USADA's investigation and the AAA Panel findings.

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I shoot from the hip pal(everyone here knows that) and I'll tell ya, as much as I dislike you and your doping apologist positions, I have to agree that it makes sense. My take is: unless NOP athletes start ratting out on each other (like it happened in the Lance Armstrong case) nothing is going to happen.

It is what it is.

Subway Surfers wrote:

"Farah has never failed a drugs test and has always strongly denied breaking any rules." I've heard this song before.

Oh yeah...the preamble to the future nosedive.

It reminds me: remember the thread after Aden got busted and there were an army of people with poor English that claimed he was framed? I wonder if that was Jama himself?

casual obsever wrote:

lanovien wrote:

Y'all think Galen's silver and bronze will be stripped?

No, for he is protected by the Lord because of Nike and Mo. No worries.

There is no need to protect Galen - LITERALLY NO ONE outside of this website knows, or cares, who he is. If he has broken the rules it will come to light.

Mo on the other hand is a British icon and generates significant sales/marketing $$. He will likely be protected.

Mo is equally unknown, but what was different is that the doping regimen used on Mo was a no holds barred approach. They were instructed to use whatever methods and chemicals it takes to make Mo a champion. If Galen got a testo rub, Mo would get 10, sometimes anally.

NOPe wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

No, for he is protected by the Lord because of Nike and Mo. No worries.

There is no need to protect Galen - LITERALLY NO ONE outside of this website knows, or cares, who he is. If he has broken the rules it will come to light.

Mo on the other hand is a British icon and generates significant sales/marketing $$. He will likely be protected.

I also feel like Farah is the key. If they can convict him on something, he is the type to immediately start spilling the secrets with no loyalty. It could get really, really interesting if that were to happen.

This is dumb. Reuters is reporting that Tygart all along had invited WADA to participate in the investigation, but they passed. Now after the investigation is competed, WADA wants to see all of the evidence. USADA is saying “no stone unturned.” Reedie is a corrupt joke and Tygart knows it. This is nothing but a media play for WADA to show that they’re tough on doping. Meanwhile the Russians, Ethiopians, Jama, and the Kenyans get away with highway robbery.

If Tygart truly cared for protecting clean athletes, he would stand by his investigation and tell WADA to take a hike.

Jabba jabba wrote:

When will wada investigate East Africa? Or will they let athletics slide into being an even bigger joke? As of now any people that are left watching the sport know it's a complete fabrication.

This is true. Al Sal was extremely shady and at the very least on the borders of outright doping his athletes, but it's likely nothing in itself compared to the full throttle doping that most of the East Africans are still able to do for most of the year.

The thing with Al Sal and NOP is, you could almost make the case the he was simply pushing the boundaries in order to enable his athletes to compete with the outright cheating Africans...if it wasn't for the fact that some of his group such as Mo and Sifan were actually having the best of both worlds - L-Carnitine injections at NOP then months of testing free winter training in a continent and culture that they feel right at home in.

And if he was using testosterone with some of athletes for recovery purposes - then wouldn't that be outright doping?

That doesn't make sense because then I could make a case that the Russians and other former Eastern-block nations are simply pushing beyond the boundaries and getting popped left & right in order to enable their athletes to compete with cheating Africans. The Russians make no bones about PED use - they say you can't be successful at that level without the use of PEDs.

Uh what? wrote:

Coinkydink wrote:

So if WADA can retest samples for up to 8 years - does anyone think it was just coincidence that Kara waited until 8 years after her medal to speak up about the going ons of the NOP?

I mean Kara came out with the initial thing within the time frame so if she was really worried I’m guessing she would’ve waited a little longer? It is pretty coincidental though I suppose. She’s also been on record saying all AlSal athletes, including herself, should have the samples retested so you wouldn’t think there would be something to hide, but again the timing could be perfect, who knows. I think it would be kind of funny if they retested everything and found she was dirty along with everyone else too

Looks like she will be looked at as well. She says she's looking forward to it.

Au contraire. Recall it was you who first used your imagination to exclude a possibility: "Why don't they simply accept the AAA panel finding?" I used logic and reason to say that your imaginary possibility has not yet been excluded. This finds support in the BBC article: "The clear question is did any of the allegations concerning Salazar and his operations result in athletes cheating themselves." We know from the report which allegations concerning Salazar also concern NOP athletes. It also seems logical, prudent, and economical, to first review the work that has already been done, before justifying launching any independent investigation. This is also supported by the BBC article: "We need to look at that and we will." You are also generally mistaken about me: I don't deride imagination and fantasy as a tool to create possibilities -- including the possibility that one or more NOP doped. It should not be considered an insult to call imagination and fantasy by their real names. It would be an intellectual fallacy though to use imagination to exclude possibilities, as a substitute for a genuine argument on the merits, and then call others naive if they don't share your imagination. Regarding the "uninformed", I make a difference between consciously choosing to be uninformed when the information is readily available, and being uninformed because information is not publicly available.

Armstronglivs wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Yes I imagined what I said "may be one outcome".

I don't deride the uninformed if the information is not publicly available.

And i freely admit the public information is limited.

"Fanatisize" -- lol.

But now I'm a bit confused. What happened to "thinking out of the box"? Should I be doing creative thinking or not? What's the standard here? I thought fantasy and imagination were irreproachable -- even stronger than any facts it may contradict. Isn't fantasy the way to break free from my immutable dogma?

You haven't quite grasped that it's your own inconsistency of approach that you have just revealed. But whatever approach you choose to take, it will always ensure you are right, won't it?