The next logical step is to find it unfair to a transgender who doesn't want to take drugs to disallow them to compete against women. We then have men competing against women. So then allow any man to compete against women. Then just eliminate categories like we have in the afmissions process to college or in the hiring process. Imagine if we had lower standards for hiring women.
Yeah this has been beaten to death already. This discussion is about as dry as a 16 year old male coming here questioning if he weighs too much at 130lbs.
What is left to discuss?? wrote:
2. The NCAA rules are completely stupid and should be changed.
Pretty much the entire board agrees on point 1 and 2.
Discussing the content of an individual's character isn't productive--especially over the internet.
I agree with #2, especially that we should stop trying to regulate hormones among athletes. Their competitive category is dictated by their gender. June is female, so she runs with women. Take the chemicals out of it and just run the race.
doot doot wrote:
BigYikessss wrote:
Eastwood wins women's race: "She is a man taking advantage of women's sport, off with her head!"
Eastwood places high in women's race: "She couldn't be elite as a man so she became a woman to be an objectively better runner, off with her head!"
Eastwood runs average in women's race: "She is purposefully sandbagging races so that it seems fair that she can compete with women, off with her head!"
Eastwood exists: "That is a man and it makes me uncomfortable, therefore it is wrong. This person's presence affects me so much that I go online anonymously to complain about it. Oh, and off with her head!"
lol She is following the rules put in place by the NCAA. Think what you want, but if you have a problem about it, don't bash the person and instead criticize the rules put in place that enables her competing at this level.
Hey, no one gives two shts that a guy wants to transition. You’re making less of a good faith effort than June so no wonder you use this bullsh!t characterization to “defend” her.
We have issues with her racing whether it’s technically within the rules or not. It’s a farce however you frame it. No one thinks the way you are except for you. GTFO
What is "we" going to do about it?
Every who feels they have to refer to her by her previous name and as "he" clearly cares a great deal.
doot doot wrote:
Hey, no one gives two shts that a guy wants to transition. You’re making less of a good faith effort than June so no wonder you use this bullsh!t characterization to “defend” her.
BigYikessss wrote:
Eastwood wins women's race: "She is a man taking advantage of women's sport, off with her head!"
Eastwood places high in women's race: "She couldn't be elite as a man so she became a woman to be an objectively better runner, off with her head!"
Eastwood runs average in women's race: "She is purposefully sandbagging races so that it seems fair that she can compete with women, off with her head!"
Eastwood exists: "That is a man and it makes me uncomfortable, therefore it is wrong. This person's presence affects me so much that I go online anonymously to complain about it. Oh, and off with her head!"
lol She is following the rules put in place by the NCAA. Think what you want, but if you have a problem about it, don't bash the person and instead criticize the rules put in place that enables her competing at this level.
Great post. Hilarious that because she isn't winning races, people assume she is sandbagging and now the are saying that it's "poor sportsmanship."
Little, limp diyack'd insecure dudes whining about Eastwood online. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't also bullying and horrible to June.
Jogger Hobby wrote:
What is left to discuss?? wrote:
Seriously what is left to discuss?
1.. She is following the NCAA rules.
2. The NCAA rules are completely stupid and should be changed.
Pretty much the entire board agrees on point 1 and 2.
Discussing the content of an individual's character isn't productive--especially over the internet.
0/10 You know this is wrong. Anyone with a brain knows it's wrong.
0/10 accurately describes your reading comprehension.
Does anyone outside basement-dwelling message board posters actually care about this situation?
Women sports are dumb anyways. It is way easier to get an athletic scholarship as a woman than as a man. Title 9 causes a lot of problems for mens teams. Having men compete in the women's division is a step in the right direction. Soon there will be one division for everyone and no more title 9. Looking forward to that day.
give them what they want wrote:
Women sports are dumb anyways. It is way easier to get an athletic scholarship as a woman than as a man. Title 9 causes a lot of problems for mens teams. Having men compete in the women's division is a step in the right direction. Soon there will be one division for everyone and no more title 9. Looking forward to that day.
+1
It’s an irresponsible allocation of funds to have women’s sports just to be “inclusive.” It would be like having “Black Basketball” and “White Basketball.” Yes, more people would be considered NCAA athletes, but should they be? One classification would be head-and-shoulders above the other.
Really universities could just have seeded races and open races and let the chips fall where they may.
Maybe, just maybe, testosterone blockers have made her slower. It doesn't take a college degree to know the effects of testosterone on athletics. She's not sandbagging. She's just slower.
There's a reason Semenya didn't compete after the IAAF's ruling. She would run something like 2:05-2:10 and that's just embarrassing.
i agree that it is easier for women to get scholarships than men, and it isn't exactly fair. BUT, there is no way of knowing where to draw the line and where to divide, so it has to be like this. And we absolutely want women in sports. So forget about this one division bs.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, testosterone blockers have made her slower. It doesn't take a college degree to know the effects of testosterone on athletics. She's not sandbagging. She's just slower.
There's a reason Semenya didn't compete after the IAAF's ruling. She would run something like 2:05-2:10 and that's just embarrassing.
Caster did take meds in 2014 and she ran 2:02.6 that year. Granted, 2:02 is still pretty good, but much slower.
So agreed, June is that much slower now.
In addition, do you see how big and tall she is compared to her competitors? She now needs to move this big body up hills and through mud with female strength muscles. I believe that she will be much stronger on the track.
It must also be tough for her. In the last 400m, when your body is telling you to stop, you need to fight it and ignore that voice. You can’t have a cop out. In her case, her mind must say. Well, the better I do, the more negative comments I will get. Why dig so deep? This is good enough. One or two places will not help the team that much anyway. Just finish the race...
you guys are acting that women getting phased out of cross country is a BAD thing. Don't deny that you WANT there to be tons of traps winning every XC race. Don't act like you don't want a trap gf right now. You guys are cappin and you know it
June E will always be a MAN.
I’ve been following this situation since an old teammate sent me a raging text about it when it all first broke in August, he was virulently anti-June even before her first race, but I have to say this whole situation has been delightfully entertaining. Reading everyone’s take on here and elsewhere, watching you guys rant and rave from one side or the other, and pull out scientific articles and then other dudes try to refute them...I’ve enjoyed every minute of it, and as for June’s running, I’ve always been rooting for the most chaotic outcome. Like, I was rooting for her to become her team’s best runner, which she now is, and generally be placing higher in the women’s races than she did in the men’s, which she is. I root for her to win “women’s athlete of the week” type awards, which she has, and I’m now rooting for her to go from eighth at conference to like third at regionals or something; I’d love it if she could just make nats so we could identify and roar about which woman she “stole the spot from.” Relatedly, I’m rooting for some competitor to have the guts to speak up either at a meet or in the media, some way, somehow. Christ, I hope she accidentally trips a competitor or something. I hope she’s in a crowd and throws what she thinks is a light elbow and sends a girl flying into a ditch. Something utterly ridiculous like that.
I agree with an earlier poster that for a few physical reasons she’ll probably be more of a factor in track and quite frankly I hope she tears it up in the winter and spring, and you guys keep talking about this. I hope she switches to steeplechase outdoors so we can have the same conversations about barrier heights, her height, etc. as we do about the trans hurdler in D2. I hope she’s your 2020 NCAA champ. Please, June!
I just want this thing to keep spiraling. I’m long gone from my own NCAA days, not a coach, no daughter running or anything, no dog in the fight. But I love that all this happening. Keep it up, June!
Ahh, a fellow anarchist.
Film Rep wrote:
Eastwood gets 8th with a 18:25 5k
Discus
Any relation to Clint ???
you, sir, are dumb as rocks
What is left to discuss?? wrote:
Seriously what is left to discuss?
1.. She is following the NCAA rules.
2. The NCAA rules are completely stupid and should be changed.
Pretty much the entire board agrees on point 1 and 2.
Discussing the content of an individual's character isn't productive--especially over the internet.
Nailed it. As for the people wondering if she could make NCAAs, I'm not convinced she couldn't still win NCAAs if she purposely wanted to cycle off her meds. I'd like to see something like that done actually so we could get everyone to realize how non-sensical the rules are.
I've made this thread registered posters only out of respect for the difficult nature of this topic. When posting, please remember you are talking about a real person who visits this very website.
We're hoping to have an article on this after the season is over where you all get to hear June's take on it all.