Nick Symmonds Jeopardizes the Future of a Young Athlete

Really. He likes to clown around and seems to do a lot for attention but

whatever, all the power to him.

I say you Yanks have a good systemn with the NCAA but some of your rules are

a bit too rigid.

In Canada, you can run in the CIS and still do a road race in the summer and win a few thousand

(if you were really good and the race payed alright) and it makes no difference, to my understanding.

Can you win money in road races if you compete in the NCAA?

She could just say that she had to buy a pair of shoes in order to run the race, therefore the prize money did not exceed the costs she incurred to compete. Perfectly legal to accept prize money in an amount that does not exceed the cost associated with running the race.

Alex87 wrote:

She could just say that she had to buy a pair of shoes in order to run the race, therefore the prize money did not exceed the costs she incurred to compete. Perfectly legal to accept prize money in an amount that does not exceed the cost associated with running the race.

So your solution is for her to lie. In other words, it's perfectly fine what Nick did, just tell the kid to lie about it.

Are you really that F*king stupid? There's a video of it, and SHE WASN'T WEARING SHOES!

I don't think this is an NCAA violation. She's not utilizing her name or likeness in order to profit. She just won a bet. If there was a Youtube video of her winning 100 bucks over a bet on a coin flip, would you still think it was a violation? There really isn't that much of a difference from a compliance standpoint. She's not attempting to monetize anything, and she wasn't offered the money because of her status as an athlete.

That doesn’t matter unless it’s the same sport. College football players get paid millions playing pro baseball while they are still playing college football. Happens all the time. Kyler Murray for example. Ricky Williams too. Both Heisman winners.

You are totally wrong on this but thanks for acting like a little bitc# about it.

That doesn’t matter unless it’s the same sport. College football players get paid millions playing pro baseball while they are still playing college football. Happens all the time. Kyler Murray for example. Ricky Williams too. Both Heisman winners.

You are totally wrong on this but thanks for acting like a little bitc# about it.

WRONG! How do you know what sport she will decide on, the kid isn't even in HS yet. If she wants to run track or XC, this is a problem. There isn't even any gray area here as to whether this is an NCAA violation. It 100% IS! She didn't have any expenses to run this race. She took $100 in prize money for the race.

If you all are defending this, there is something seriously wrong with you!

12.02.7 Limited Benefit -- Prior to Initial Full-Time Enrollment at an NCAA Institution -- Expenses from a Permissible Source.

Prior to initial full-time enrollment at an NCAA institution, if an individual receives expenses from a permissible source (e.g., event sponsor, club team) that exceed his or her actual and necessary expenses by $300 or less, the eligibility of the individual shall not be affected. (Adopted: 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13)

END OF THREAD.

Sick Nymmonds wrote:

That doesn’t matter unless it’s the same sport. College football players get paid millions playing pro baseball while they are still playing college football. Happens all the time. Kyler Murray for example. Ricky Williams too. Both Heisman winners.

You are totally wrong on this but thanks for acting like a little bitc# about it.

WRONG! How do you know what sport she will decide on, the kid isn't even in HS yet. If she wants to run track or XC, this is a problem. There isn't even any gray area here as to whether this is an NCAA violation. It 100% IS! She didn't have any expenses to run this race. She took $100 in prize money for the race.

If you all are defending this, there is something seriously wrong with you!

You are beyond stupid and have no idea what you are talking about.

c7runner7 wrote:

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/reports/getReport/90008

12.02.7 Limited Benefit -- Prior to Initial Full-Time Enrollment at an NCAA Institution -- Expenses from a Permissible Source.

Prior to initial full-time enrollment at an NCAA institution, if an individual receives expenses from a permissible source (e.g., event sponsor, club team) that exceed his or her actual and necessary expenses by $300 or less, the eligibility of the individual shall not be affected. (Adopted: 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13)

END OF THREAD.

WRONG again, this isn't about pre-enrollment expenses, that has ZERO to do with this. Pertinent rules are the following:

Receipt of a prize for participation (involving the use of athletics ability) in a member institution’s promotional activity that is inconsistent with the provisions of Bylaw 12.5 or approved official interpretations. (Revised: 11/1/07 defective

8/1/08)

12.1.2.2 Participation for pay in competition that involves the use of overall athletics skill (e.g., “superstars” competition) constitutes a violation of the Association’s amateur-status regulations; therefore, an individual participating for pay in such competition is ineligible for intercollegiate competition in all sports. (See Bylaw 12.5.2.3.3 for exception related to promotional contests.

12.1.2.3 Road Racing. “Road racing” is essentially the same as cross country or track and field competition

and cannot be separated effectively from those sports for purposes of Bylaws 12.1, 12.2 and 12.8.3.2. Therefore,

a student-athlete who accepts pay in any form for participation in such a race is ineligible for intercollegiate cross

country or track and feld competition. (Revised: 4/25/02 efective 8/1/02)

Exceptions

12.1.2.4.1

In sports other than tennis, an individual may accept prize money based on his or her place finish or performance in an athletics event. Such prize money may not exceed actual and necessary expenses and may be

provided only by the sponsor of the event. Te calculation of actual and necessary expenses shall not include

the expenses or fees of anyone other than the individual (e.g., coach’s fees or expenses, family member’s

expenses). (Adopted: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, Revised: 12/12/06 applicable to any expenses received by a prospective student-athlete on or after 8/23/06, 4/26/12, 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13, 4/25/18)

)

The negativity on these boards is stunning.

Nick seems like a good dude with great positive energy and a remarkable ability to connect with people.

3242343 wrote:

The negativity on these boards is stunning.

Nick seems like a good dude with great positive energy and a remarkable ability to connect with people.

QFT, after meeting him in 2013 and joining him on a run. Also don't forget, he is one of the only elites/Olympians who shared their full 1-year training log for free so other strength-based 800m runners could learn.

Sick Nymmonds what's going on with you?

Even if you're trolling, which I don't think you are, you must have quite an unpleasant life to come to Letsrun at 3am and spout this kind of crap.

Get a life.

Turn off your cellphone for a year.

Lift some weights.

Do some ayahuasca.

Get a girl.

Anything but this.

Around the 5 min mark of the video, she loses the race - and seems to be given a sample of run gum.

Ernest wrote:

Around the 5 min mark of the video, she loses the race - and seems to be given a sample of run gum.

She came back and beat him (with a 5s headstart, which is HUGE in a 40 dash) and took the cash. But really, who cares? These videos are great for bringing running to the attention of a bigger audience, let them have fun than trying to nit pick all the time and find something to complain about.

Imagine actually thinking being given $100 is going to cut off someone's chances of a scholarship. Hilarious!

Both Symmonds and the NCAA system are embarrassments of self-interest.

You can win prizes and whatnot BEFORE college, you just can't win them while you are an NCAA athlete. If she's in high school then it won't count against her. My daughter has won races with money and shoes as the prize in middle school.

Furthermore, he cant say his gum is like adderall because of false advertising. Not because it is truly like adderall.

Greg wrote:

Really. He likes to clown around and seems to do a lot for attention but

whatever, all the power to him.

I say you Yanks have a good systemn with the NCAA but some of your rules are

a bit too rigid.

In Canada, you can run in the CIS and still do a road race in the summer and win a few thousand

(if you were really good and the race payed alright) and it makes no difference, to my understanding.

Can you win money in road races if you compete in the NCAA?

No, collegiate athletes are unpaid whilst making their coaches extremely, extremely rich. Hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars a year.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Both Symmonds and the NCAA system are embarrassments of self-interest.

You are an embarrasement and a joke, took you months to get sub20 5k, gtfo this forums and change hobbies