Team sky doctor admits to ordering testosterone

Goodbye.

That's me done with this thread. Bye?️. wrote:

Looks like another thread about to become 'rekrunnered'.

Graeme Woods was DQ’d at Sydney-Melbourne (1000 kms, running day & night) after he reportedly slept only 2 hours in a week (he was clearly not the only one on speed, just the most obvious?).

Next year they threatened to drug test, even for caffeine! Those who complained were told, “50 cups of coffee per day, max!” True story.

rekrunner wrote:

Goodbye.

That's me done with this thread. Bye?️. wrote:

Looks like another thread about to become 'rekrunnered'.

Since you're here on this thread anyway - what's your thoughts and comments on this? (this sounds like one you would jump on).

We have the issue of testosterone gels coming up again. We have Salazar experimenting with it on his kid, we've got the lying doctor here supplying T to supposedly one senior member of Sky & BC, we've got some Kenyan males testing positive for T (don't know if they were using gels or injections though).

Maybe T is the "go to" PED for endurance athletes these days (it was in the 60s & 70s for recovery) Since there's pressure to train like a madman in order to be successful, i.e., to perform and keep a sponsor happy, to earn a living racing, etc (no surprises there), then perhaps it's impossible for most to insanely train so hard without a recovery PED.

Let's face the fact - elites get injured a lot, so "genetics" seems only to go so far with some of these elites. Perhaps it's physiologically impossible to train like that without breaking down to the point of getting injured. Maybe that's where the T comes into play? And if gels allow a runner to have a good probability of escaping detection and flying under the ABP radar, maybe that's the most prevalent PED being used out there today?

What say you?

Well contrary to earlier predictions, I wasn't actually going to respond to a cycling thread.

I think some athletes will take a cocktail of drugs, including testosterone, to the extent they think they can get away with it, because they don't believe in themselves enough to compete without a cocktail of drugs.

I think it is possible to recover without drugs.

I have no insight or interest on who the lying doctor procured testosterone for.

rekrunner wrote:

Well contrary to earlier predictions, I wasn't actually going to respond to a cycling thread.

I think some athletes will take a cocktail of drugs, including testosterone, to the extent they think they can get away with it, because they don't believe in themselves enough to compete without a cocktail of drugs.

I think it is possible to recover without drugs.

I have no insight or interest on who the lying doctor procured testosterone for.

Fair enough - just soliciting your opinion. Curious though - it may possible to recover without drugs but in the cases where demanding coaches are putting athletes through torturous workouts, you wonder if that's a situation that encourages the athletes to go on some kind of recovery drugs? (e.g., low-dose T or steroids, prednisone, peptides, etc.).

And athletes themselves may feel the pressure from a sponsor to crank it up and perform better or the sponsor will drop them (it's a vicious sport - here today...gone tomorrow). It also seems like elite runners are injured a lot from non-contact injuries (unlike football where the vast majority of injuries are contact related), which I would think is simply from overtraining. So, if they don't want to tone it down (either the coach won't let them or they feel they can't because of pressure from a sponsor), I would think they would be vulnerable to using PEDs for recovery.

So pleased Eliud brought in Sir David and his team to provide the support for the Ineos (Team Sky) 1.59 challenge. Professional endurance sport is a complete joke.

With the allegations. The Johnson brothers, Gault and the also rans living in their parents basement love this. HELLO, everyone worth their salt is "pushing the limits". In EVERY endeavor of SPORT and BUSINESS and LIFE in general. It's been like that FOREVER.

It probably happens quite frequently that athletes turn to drugs, as Lance rationalized, to "take care of their bodies" and get back to a "normal" level, or that impatient or frustrated athletes decide take drugs hoping to get themselves to the "next level", or due to pressure from their sponsors.

Ryan Hall retired from the sport, because of low testosterone. I'm sure other athletes will not always make the same choice.

Regarding demanding coaches, one of the things that makes a good coach is getting the most out of your athletes, physically and mentally, while avoiding premature burnout or injury. A good coach will ensure adequate recovery -- recovery is the phase where you body gets stronger -- and will alter your training plan based on feedback how the athlete feels, versus how they are supposed to feel.

PED abuse is way worse in big money team sports. I mean you really think NBA or NFL or Premier League guys are able to survive the demands of the schedule naturally? Honestly it’s hard to blame them sometimes what with an unyielding and demanding fans expecting nothing less than perfection ever time out.

what is referred to on the these boards as "Salazar's special sauce", and "Centro sauce" in reality is probably UK Athletics sauce.

What will the Queen say on the matter?

doping watcher wrote:

But there is no actual "proof" that Team Sky were actually doping. They were just suffering from minor ailments such as asthma, hay fever, and kidney failure and they were just being treated medically for these - not for performance enhancement of course.

Isn't it funny that all these top athletes are so ill at the peak of their cycling lives?

You know who's now sponsoring Team Sky? INEOS.

dick freeman wrote:

So are they setting this guy up as a scapegoat then? Why would he go public with this?

He is in a court giving evidence

Here we go again. wrote:

With the allegations. The Johnson brothers, Gault and the also rans living in their parents basement love this. HELLO, everyone worth their salt is "pushing the limits". In EVERY endeavor of SPORT and BUSINESS and LIFE in general. It's been like that FOREVER.

Somewhat true, however back when the TDF started drugs were expected and not illegal. Caffeine was the drug of choice. And coke.

With Pantani it was clear he was manipulating his blood.

Now we have sophisticated drug manipulation and performance enhancement, and we can screen for it.

So who tf cares how it was when Tim Simpson OD'd on amphetamines and had a statue made where he died?

This is now, and its illegal.

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

what is referred to on the these boards as "Salazar's special sauce", and "Centro sauce" in reality is probably UK Athletics sauce.

What will the Queen say on the matter?

The Queen is not amused

I added a few of my favorite tweets to the first page.

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/1189186256653049858

https://twitter.com/GlenCottingley/status/1189155293785198592

rojo wrote:

I added a few of my favorite tweets to the first page.

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/1189186256653049858https://twitter.com/GlenCottingley/status/1189155293785198592

Nice to see some people stating the obvious. It really is pathetic of these coaches to be lying about this sort of thing.

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

what is referred to on the these boards as "Salazar's special sauce", and "Centro sauce" in reality is probably UK Athletics sauce.

Trump is concerned that currently we Brits get our PEDs too cheap and US pharmas are not making enough. The US Trade Representative has orders from Trump to get Special US Sauce into the the UK and be able to charge big money for it, as part of the new Trump/Johnson Free Trade Deal

Eddy Merckx wrote:

doping watcher wrote:

But there is no actual "proof" that Team Sky were actually doping. They were just suffering from minor ailments such as asthma, hay fever, and kidney failure and they were just being treated medically for these - not for performance enhancement of course.

Isn't it funny that all these top athletes are so ill at the peak of their cycling lives?

Try doing aerobic training 4 hours per day and report back on the state of your immune system.