A random comment: I feel most sports went downhill when professionalism came along. This is maybe more apparent in team sports like football (i.e. soccer), rugby, and cricket, where professionalism led to less individuality and more cautious play, thus less entertainment. But I think it also applies in athletics. All of which is to say that it would not necessarily be a bad thing if things were different, and athletes earned their money not from their sport at all.
There's one very important thing that everyone is missing here. A streamer like Asmongold makes a lot of money not so much because of his skill but because of his personality. People are paying for entertainment. Skill is a factor, but it's not the most important factor.
To illustrate, imagine Eliud Kipchoge and Jared Ward both started posting daily videos on youtube. If Eliud's videos were just him turning the camera on and then running a few laps around the track, and if Jared's videos were him answering questions from his fans and giving training tips or whatever, which channel would you watch? It doesn't matter if Eliud is more skilled or works harder, Jared's videos would be more entertaining and thus more popular.
The most successful gaming streamers usually get their foot in the door by being very skilled, but skill alone is not what makes a really successful streamer. Most importantly they need an entertaining personality. And then finally to really maximize their success they need to maintain their community (for example by doing things like being interactive with their community, facilitating intra-community interactions, and things like releasing content on a regular schedule as opposed to dropping new things sporadically and disappearing for stretches).
No one pays you for being the hardest-working entertainer. People pay you for being the most entertaining entertainer. Skill and even hard work can play a big role in creating an entertaining product, but ultimately what matters is how entertaining the product is. If you pour all of your hard work into becoming skilled at something no one cares about, don't expect them to pay you for it.
Anyone who pays or donates money to watch someone else play a video game is foolish in the first degree.
Track could learn a thing or two from the video game capitalist model. Let a for profit company be in charge of track and field and if it is run correctly you will see track grow a lot. Right now there is no incentive for USATF to do anything more than the minimum requirements. Then everyone sits around and complains that track should be more popular and can't figure out what the issue is. A non-profit company like USATF will never be what the sport needs because creating a product that is in demand is not their focus. We don't have the large private company investment like football and basketball. USATF should be the one selling the product through athletes, not sitting around waiting for Nike to do it.
Johnny 411 wrote:
I would pay $1 a year to follow an elites Strava/whoop activities/ detailed data. Heart rate, effort, HRV etc. I’d imagine some Pros could make a decent chunk of side change if the Apps had some sort of subscription option for private accounts.
Imagine following Bekeles exact data leading up to the recent Berlin or Woodys training before his recent 5 K. Exciting for the die hard fans to study and talk about, much like a gamer who spends money to subscribe to a top gamer.
I don’t have a problem with how people spend their money even if that’s to watch a gamer play a game. The problem is that running is so old school and runners started to make money to fill the streets or stadiums (appearance fees) or to demonstrate how good a product was (wearing Nike Shoes on tv was the only way to get in front of millions of viewers). Now times have changed but people are still trying to make money the old school way which just isn’t as relevant. These new streams of revenue need to be looked into. Running has potential to be the biggest sport on earth but we aren’t changing w the times
Pros could easily just say on their social media, send $X to my Patreon along with your Strava name and I will let you follow me.
pros do nothing to build a fanbase. so dont expect to have one. asmongold is actually unterpaid for the entertainment he provides compared to runners
Banana Bread wrote:
I never played WoW. I only played Warcraft 2 Tides of Darkness and Beyond the Dark Portal. I want to go back and play them again. I enjoyed building custom scenarios. Looking back I played way differently to the way I've watched youtubers play these games. My strategy was always to straight away build as many guard towers around my base as possible so I was always in defense mode. Eventually I would start attacking if I hadn't died yet or run old of gold and lumber or oil if it is a sea mission. Even though WoW is 3d it somehow doesn't look that appealing to me. W2 was classic. It didn't need any extra fancy graphics or features.
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melo seeds wrote:
I can understand not wanting to watch people run, but I really can''t understand wanting to watch people play video games. If that's what brings you joy in life, just end it.
Do you recommend that people that enjoy watching football, basketball, and baseball on tv to also end their lifes? Or can you recognize that some people enjoy watching skilled people play a game at a level they can't? I might not watch gamers on twitch but it is easy to understand. But the youtube personalities that just scream and do stupid stuff I can't for the life of me understand how people make it more than 30s...
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Asmonbald wrote:
This country is twisted when the people putting in serious physical work to be the best athletes in the world make a fraction of what proffesional World of Warcraft players make.
That just isn't true. Top 10 runners in the world are making similiar amounts of money. Your pro making 50k is more like a top 200 guy. You will find youtubers down at that level of talent aren't making a ton of money either.
Top teachers in the world are also making over a 1 million dollars just like pro stars (granted I don't know of any of them getting up to 20 million+). The next 500k also make enough to live on while BB players with that level of talent need to pay if they want to play their sport.
If. you are the top at just about anything, you can make a decent salary. Most of us aren't close to the top and care more about average income.
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People get mad about sports stars making money, but they are some of the best people in the world at what they do.
Be the best 100 people in the world at just about anything and you will be paid.
TITLE IS MISLEADING. Some top track athletes makes over 1 mil or more per year and only the very top wow players can make 1 mil in a year. Very misleading. Why do people expect lower tier elite runners to get paid like football players? I doubt the 20th world ranked wow player gets much of anything.
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Come on, it's the 21st century, who cares to watch a man just run in his lane. The future is coming, I think this is normal. People who stream games do not get such a lot of money for nothing, large companies understand where people are interested and where there are huge audience numbers and sign contracts with players, streamers, and so on. I recently saw on https://insider.games/ update in fortnite and its online after that jumped up sharply, after that and advertising of course jumped up and so on chain reaction. This is a new business, a digital business, and it's time to get used to it, friends.
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It's because they have an audience AND know how to leverage it. Track coaches, who are also the ones in charge of all the non-coaching stuff like marketing, have no idea how to do this and are so old-school and rigid that they can't make the proper decisions to make the sport profitable. It's always about creating perfectly equitable competitive regulations and no mind for the marketing side. Zero creativity. Plus, since coaches are attached to a specific team/athlete, they only want what's best for their team/athlete. They're unwilling to sacrifice their specific needs for the overall good of the sport. So, here we are.
Watching runners - boring nowadays. I am even like more to watch how to play old dos games <a href="https://playonline-games.com/">https://playonline-games.com/</a> that runners.
Like all ENTERTAINMENT it's what the market will bear.
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