I would pay $1 a year to follow an elites Strava/whoop activities/ detailed data. Heart rate, effort, HRV etc. I’d imagine some Pros could make a decent chunk of side change if the Apps had some sort of subscription option for private accounts.
Imagine following Bekeles exact data leading up to the recent Berlin or Woodys training before his recent 5 K. Exciting for the die hard fans to study and talk about, much like a gamer who spends money to subscribe to a top gamer.
I don’t have a problem with how people spend their money even if that’s to watch a gamer play a game. The problem is that running is so old school and runners started to make money to fill the streets or stadiums (appearance fees) or to demonstrate how good a product was (wearing Nike Shoes on tv was the only way to get in front of millions of viewers). Now times have changed but people are still trying to make money the old school way which just isn’t as relevant. These new streams of revenue need to be looked into. Running has potential to be the biggest sport on earth but we aren’t changing w the times
Professional World Of Warcraft players make $1,000,000 a year... professional runners make less than 50k a year, wtf..?
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yankeeuno wrote:
Why does this shock people? Professional Track and Field athletes don't make anything because of simple reasons
1. Think of the major platforms that broadcast track and field. Dog s*** streaming services like flotrack that makes you pay $150 a year so I can watch race footage filmed by someone with Parkinson's disease. NBC sports gold isn't worth a subscription neither for we only can watch current track events going on and theres virtually no cross country.
2. Think about all the cliche comments you get, being a distance runner and just imagine random people sitting to watch a 5k on the track or anything for that matter. It's RUNNING people don't gravitate too it. More people run for leisure rather than competitive. I'll guarantee you hobby joggers couldn't name a Christian Coleman, Noah Lyles, Matt Centro. From a money standpoint the industry doesn't pull the numbers to directly support athletes.
3. Less Demand for something (Pro Running) Less pay.
4. More people watch wow online (More Pay) It's common economics
5. There just isn't enough content for XC/T&F to be a year round thing
I understand this is a sounds smug at some point and an 80mpw runner myself, pure athletics isn't interesting enough to make it all the way unless the only way to watch it is paying for crap. It needs to be on ESPN, NBC free TV more to make a push.
Agree. There is very little demand for T&F. This is partly a failure of the governing bodies who are terrible at marketing it. The athletes have been complicit in that they will work for almost nothing while the governing bodies, meets, etc. sell their performances for real money. Of course without that exposure they are worth nothing, so... This is why there should probably be a Union for pro T&F athletes. But that is a whole other issue.
Personally, it is hard to understand why someone would watch someone else play a video game as a form of recreation when they can play themselves. Seriously can't imagine paying for that. But we live in a pitiful sedentary world. -
so sad wrote:
Its sad. When growing up I always dreamed of being an Olympian or professional athlete. Kids these days want to be youtubers and gamers. This is what they aspire to now.
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Let’s try that again.
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Johnny 411 is right.
Runners can make great money on Youtube. That's why Zach Levet quit college. Runners have just been slow to accept the trends of the masses.
We need daily inside look into the runners that want to make a living out of the sport. Not sure what I would pay. But if I had access to training logs, videos of runs, access to gps data, etc I'd be open to paying to have that available to me.
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In fact World of Warcraft is a difficult game and it requires a lot of attention and skill to win something...
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Smith00 wrote:
In fact World of Warcraft is a difficult game and it requires a lot of attention and skill to win something...
However, I wouldn't be against of salary in amount of 500000 dollars at least
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Hi man. I understand why you are shocked. It sounds ridiculous that a guy earns so much money just sitting in front of the computer. But you should take into account that it's a very difficult game, and that he spends a lot of time every day in order to be the best. I've been playing this game a lot, but still my character was very weak. No matter how hard I tried, I was still unable to make my character strong enough. This is why a lot of people uses boosting service, like https://epiccarry.com/wow-classic-eu , and I am not an exception. Maybe it's not fair towards over players, but now it's more interesting for me to play and I feel much better in this game.
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1. People pay what they want to see. Sorry that people playing a video game is more fun to watch for a large part of the population than someone running around a track for 30 minutes.
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To say the truth, I have never understood why these gamers earn so much... It's not a job, it can be just a hobby and that's all. Anyway, guys, do you love playing in this game? I just wanted to buy boosting from https://leprestore.com/wow-us/ but I can't understand if this source bad or not. Thanks in advance.
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they play a game that can be sold to every player. There's your explanation. Money is usually pretty straightforward to get to the bottom of
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Part of the problem has to be an obsession with running records at the pro level. If it isn't the fastest time ever, a lot of people will not care. The focus should really be on exciting races that anyone can appreciate.
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Pro Athletics Union wrote:
I definitely blame the pro runners for this. Over the years (decades), they just didn't fight hard enough to get more. Shoe companies are trying to maximize profit and cut expenditures and a lot of racing opportunities are for non profit organizations looking to draw talent without cost. Pro runners are a commodity with value, but why would a buyer pay for something it can get for free? This has lead to non running social media influencers filling in the vacuum and taking in a nice paycheck.
I blame the fans also. Fans actively scorning pro athletes for marketing themselves and producing content.
But you are right that the pros are mostly happy to get paid to run at all. They don't care about their actual value.
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The only people who really care about running are the mass of hobby joggers (me included) who participate in some aspect of the sport. They are only interested to the extent they are involved, which means they couldn't care less about what the PED-sucking elites are doing, nor do they care about the college kiddies on the track.
Relate all of this to this derelict site, apparently one of the very few running sites and running forums on the entire Internet. The BratJos allow endless fringe right wing garbage on this site even while many complain vociferously about them and their IDIOT moderators, but there are never changes. That is because they can only generate clicks and ad revenue by offering a site that has a little but of running and LOTS of other mostly hate-related stuff.
This should inform even the casual reader that there IS NO SIGNIFICANT MONEY in running on its own. If there were, this site would be better and there would be other competing sites. There would be more exposure of 'elite' athletes. Even the RDs know that the only money in this entire game is the fun run/turkey trot/mass appeal hobby jogger run. -
so sad wrote:
Its sad. When growing up I always dreamed of being an Olympian or professional athlete. Kids these days want to be youtubers and gamers. This is what they aspire to now.
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Asmonbald wrote:
This country is twisted when the people putting in serious physical work to be the best athletes in the world make a fraction of what proffesional World of Warcraft players make.
That just isn't true. Top 10 runners in the world are making similiar amounts of money. Your pro making 50k is more like a top 200 guy. You will find youtubers down at that level of talent aren't making a ton of money either.
Top teachers in the world are also making over a 1 million dollars just like pro stars (granted I don't know of any of them getting up to 20 million+). The next 500k also make enough to live on while BB players with that level of talent need to pay if they want to play their sport.
If. you are the top at just about anything, you can make a decent salary. Most of us aren't close to the top and care more about average income. -
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
Asmonbald wrote:
This country is twisted when the people putting in serious physical work to be the best athletes in the world make a fraction of what proffesional World of Warcraft players make.
That just isn't true. Top 10 runners in the world are making similiar amounts of money. Your pro making 50k is more like a top 200 guy. You will find youtubers down at that level of talent aren't making a ton of money either.
Top teachers in the world are also making over a 1 million dollars just like pro stars (granted I don't know of any of them getting up to 20 million+). The next 500k also make enough to live on while BB players with that level of talent need to pay if they want to play their sport.
If. you are the top at just about anything, you can make a decent salary. Most of us aren't close to the top and care more about average income.
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- People who care about running tend to participate in running. There are more fans of running than any given video game, but over 99% of them want to run, not watch. Compare with gaming where there is a much higher percentage who just watch or both play and watch.
- Running requires you run every day if you want to be any good. A competitive runner probably runs on more than 330 days a year and a good runner, probably on more than 350. Compare with gaming where there are a lot fewer elites, a lot more casuals, and there is not impetus to move from casual to good or elite status for most participants, whereas runners always want to do better, not stay at the same level.
-The above lead to runners having less time to watch running videos than gamers have time to watch gaming videos. I don't know about you, but after doing my own workout, I don't really want to watch someone else's. I'll read through some logs quickly if they're easily available, but other than that the only running I want to spend my time watching is professional and top end college races.
-Gaming is a passive hobby. Running is an active one. With gaming, you're already sitting in your computer chair, why not watch some videos since they're right there. With running, doing it and watching are done in different places. Most serious runners have to drive to the place where they run, so that adds more time.
-Its been normalized to game all day, or at least in several hour long segments. Runners like to get their running done and be done with the sport for the day. Runners have normalized having a lot more hobbies.
-Since running is an active sport runners like doing other active stuff like hiking, photography, kayaking, going out to eat etc. Some like passive activities too like gaming, watching shows, etc. I'm not saying all gamers are inactive, but most who are big enough into gaming to actually watch it are just working out for general fitness if at all.
All this leads naturally to gaming being a much more popular activity to watch than running. Here is the big reason why running is a fringe sport and gaming is becoming prime time though:
- people will pay exorbitant entry fees to open races with little to no prize purse. I always enter races that offer prize money, even if I won't get anywhere near it, because to me this is the part of the spirit of the sport - top runners should make a living off running. Most people, including many on letsrun don't even bother checking prize purses though unless they're fast enough to place top 10. They'd just as soon enter the rock n roll half over the town over half even though the latter provides prize money. They'll do their hometown turkey trot over one that actually provides prize money a couple hours away, etc. This leads to prize purses being pathetic and runners not being serious athletes because they can't make a living off the sport. If races had to offer prize purses to actually get people to enter, some races would offer higher prize purses, to get more people to enter and more competitive fields. It would go like this until winning a marathon in a major US city would set someone up for a few years and just placing top 25 would earn someone more than they earn at work. -
Asmonbald wrote:
"Streamers make money through ad revenue, subscribers, donations and bits. Asmongold has over 18,000 subscribers on the platform from which her makes a minimum of $2.50 per subscriber. This should add up to around $45,000 a month ($540,000 a year). He makes an equally high income through the other avenues"
I find it crazy that people who play video games and sit around drinking Mountain dew all day find a fanbase that is willing to donate thousands of dollars a day and professional runners not only get zero in fan donations but make a very low monthly salary from shoe sponsorship contracts. This country is twisted when the people putting in serious physical work to be the best athletes in the world make a fraction of what proffesional World of Warcraft players make.
https://naibuzz.com/how-much-money-asmongold-makes-on-twitch-net-worth/
Here's a cold, hard reality of life, kid: No matter how worthy or noble you think a pursuit is or isn't, the fact of the matter is you're only worth what someone is willing to pay you.
Now go back to simping pink sparkles coomer.
