imo, sub 2:10 is elite, 2:10-2:20 is sub-elite, 2:20-2:30 is elite-wannabe, 2:30-3:00 is good runner, 3:00+ is hobby jogger. add 15 minutes to these times to convert to women
imo, sub 2:10 is elite, 2:10-2:20 is sub-elite, 2:20-2:30 is elite-wannabe, 2:30-3:00 is good runner, 3:00+ is hobby jogger. add 15 minutes to these times to convert to women
stupid person 69 wrote:
imo, sub 2:10 is elite, 2:10-2:20 is sub-elite, 2:20-2:30 is elite-wannabe, 2:30-3:00 is good runner, 3:00+ is hobby jogger. add 15 minutes to these times to convert to women
So only two elite women have existed so far?
2:20-2:30 is sub elite wannabe wrote:
stupid person 69 wrote:
imo, sub 2:10 is elite, 2:10-2:20 is sub-elite, 2:20-2:30 is elite-wannabe, 2:30-3:00 is good runner, 3:00+ is hobby jogger. add 15 minutes to these times to convert to women
So only two elite women have existed so far?
Gravvvy wrote:
I've always suspected the top masters in my age group were doping, especially when they're running similar times at 40-50 years old as when they were in college . This certainly helps my assumption.
Doubtful. Plus this guy is 29, so why does it fit the profile? Why would it help your assumption? This guy was a potential marathon trials candidate. And in Canada, you don't need to be that good to go to the Olympics.
What we've learned so far:
You just can't trust Canadians.
Always be suspicious of runners who wear their running hats backwards.
When we're finished building the wall on the Southern border we need to start one on the northern border.
Those long cold winters in mooselandia can cause runners to take shortcuts that are not ethically justifiable.
T.M.A.D.D.DH.A.S.F.N.E.
Doubtful. Plus this guy is 29, so why does it fit the profile? Why would it help your assumption? This guy was a potential marathon trials candidate. And in Canada, you don't need to be that good to go to the Olympics.
There was a 0% of him making the Olympics. No Canadian is going to the Olympics unless they run under 2:11.30 or get top 10 at a major.
I think his big goal was to take down the Newfoundland provincial record (Around 2:24 if I remember right).
I met him twice, once when we were both in the sub elite field at a race and another when he came to watch a Twighlight meet in Ontario. Came across as kind of an odd guy, friendly enough but didn't seem that trustworthy. He liked to present himself as a lot better than he actually was. Also liked to really promote his sponsors (which no one understands how he gets so many sponsers)
As a runner with similar/slightly better PBs to Freake, I'm in the sport because I enjoy running, not because I think I have a shot at the Olympics or records. If I ever was at the point were I felt I needed to dope, I would quit because running would become not be fun. Essentially, this guy was doping to fluff his ego. Bizarre... too many things about Dave Freake's story is just bizarre.
no olympics! wrote:
Doubtful. Plus this guy is 29, so why does it fit the profile? Why would it help your assumption? This guy was a potential marathon trials candidate. And in Canada, you don't need to be that good to go to the Olympics.
There was a 0% of him making the Olympics. No Canadian is going to the Olympics unless they run under 2:11.30 or get top 10 at a major.
Um, ever hear of gender fluidity?
In addition meeting running 2:11:30 or better on a qualifying course in the qualifying window, Athletics Canada's marathon selection criteria reads:
"The first 10 runners in the Men’s Marathon and in the Women’s Marathon in the IAAF World Athletics Championships Doha 2019 and the top 5 finishers at the IAAF Gold Label Marathons and the top 10 finishers at the Marathon Major Series (Tokyo, Boston, London, Berlin, Chicago and New York) held during the qualification period will also be considered as having achieved the Qualification Standard"
buying gear online and you never know what you're getting.
I bet he thought he was on EPO and Anavar or EPO & T
dummy
Question
How many newfies does it take to stick a pin in your buttocks ?
wut? wrote:
My self and a bunch of guys I train with can't run sub 61 and we run marathons in the 2:30s-mid 2:40s and have 5ks in the 15-16 min range.
Obviously you have never properly raced one.
Running a "hard 400" at barely faster than your mile pace is not showing your 400 ability.
Take any 2:3X marathoner who says he can't do sub-60 for 400m, give him four weeks with a sprint coach, or even four weeks with Joe Sprinter off the internet, and I promise you he runs under 60 with the right incentive.
The thing is there is more incentive/bragging rights for 2:3X guys to brag about how slow their footspeed is, to glorify their distance times more.
stop picking on Masters runners wrote:
in Canada, you don't need to be that good to go to the Olympics.
Canada has about 37 million people and two active 2:09 guys.
The U.S. has almost 10x that many people. Do you have 20 guys running 2:09 in the past 12 months? No? Then STFU.
stupid person 69 wrote:
imo, sub 2:10 is elite, 2:10-2:20 is sub-elite, 2:20-2:30 is elite-wannabe, 2:30-3:00 is good runner, 3:00+ is hobby jogger. add 15 minutes to these times to convert to women
Just to clarify, all races should check with your opinion as to how they should classify their entrants?
Do you take into account that not all races have fields as strong as the Chicago marathon?
(So for a lesser marathon that might be won in 2:22 with 10th place being 2:50, they could very easily call sub-2:30 'elite' and give them comp entry and maybe even a room for the night.)
Ontario Local Runner wrote:
Also liked to really promote his sponsors (which no one understands how he gets so many sponsers)
Likely due to being a big fish in a small pond.
If you are winning all the local 5, 8 and 10kms, even in times that would be pedestrian at races further afield, you are getting a lot of visibility - that is what sponsors are looking for, not just how fast you run.
He likely made a good marketing proposal to all those sponsors given the exposure (pre-bust) he got in local media and via social media.
Cost to the supplier to send him some shades, compression socks or protein powder is a lot less than the retail cost for the rest of us but he'll make sure your brand gets a lot of eyeballs.
Let's get to the bottom of this wrote:
A lot of these runners see what the elites are taking and think that if it works for the elites then it will work for them. Look at all the low-T centers cropping up all over the U.S. and the heavy advertising of these businesses. I wonder how master athletes in running, cycling, XC-skiing, powerlifting, etc. are using testosterone replacement therapy? They're not going to tell anyone - it's just their little secret.
Many sub-elites, amateurs & highly competitive masters athletes are all obsessed with winning...no surprises there. ?
Oh absolutely. People are saying "so sad, had to dope to run that time". People will take T replacement to boost their levels so they can go from 1:50 to 1:45 for the half. It's all relative. It's often tempting to pull a Salazar and have my T tested, then get medication to bring it up more within the normal range.
And the other comment about "running is apparently all he had in life!". Isn't that everyone on here? Sure, people have families, spouses, jobs, etc. But, running & triathlon etc suck people in and make people obsessed. No one who is running under four hours for the marathon is just doing it ho-hum because they feel like it.. they're way into it.
Let's ease off on him. His decision to dope was obviously fueled by his need for social recognition and didn't harm anyone other than himself. Let's show some compassion for a guy who loves to run and is definitely dealing with mental issues. For what it's worth, I used to follow him on social media and he seemed to be a very friendly person and supportive of everyone in the running community. Hopefully, he'll come out of this and regains his passion for running and keeps it clean.
LoneStarXC wrote:
And another one bites the dust. And it’s good that they’re testing sub-elites. Doping needs to be tackled at all levels of the sport.
^THIS^ - Even age-groupers in our running community are questionable . . .
Ashley Madison wrote:
LoneStarXC wrote:
And another one bites the dust. And it’s good that they’re testing sub-elites. Doping needs to be tackled at all levels of the sport.
^THIS^ - Even age-groupers in our running community are questionable . . .
Age-groupers at local races? That doesn't sound good, and what would they be racing for - cheap ribbons, gift certificates for a few bucks off a new pair shoes and a handshake from the race director? Lol.
Buddy is out here on Strava pretending he did nothing wrong:
People want recognition. Some will come in with the "proper mindset" that straight out lying isn't going to cut it. And will blast course cutters etc or people who's 2:30 half marathon becomes a full marathon or worse.
The world is grey. Some are just darker than others.
I've taken cold meds before a race if I've had a cold. I don't care what you think. However I don't take epo.
The truth is with the cold meds - if I really have a cold, it doesn't really help my race anyways. that's something I've learned over time.