Who?!? and How!? Dreams Become Reality: Trevor Hofbauer goes from 2:16 to 2:09:25 to win Canadian Champs

dafaq wrote:

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:

So, how many times was he tested in the year prior to Sunday? Two years prior?

Honestly, probably not a lot if at all. He wouldn't be someone who would of raised suspicions enough to have anyone pull him out of competition and at most competitions it's random and the chances you get pulled are slim.

I would be surprised if he had been tested at all. A 2:16 guy isn’t on the radar of anti-doping controls.

EPO

Amazing how many posts I had to read before finding some about cheating. Yet, if this were an unknown African or Eastern European everyone would have their minds made up.

And the boy scouts are content to know that L-carnitine users are on the way to being served justice but ‘know’ this guy or Shalane Flanagan are clean because of some flawless, mystical sense of right and wrong they possess.

Funny times.

Calgary guy wrote:

Trevor has always been fast, he just didn't believe he could be a pro and never dedicated 100% from what I saw. I don't know him well but have met him. Super friendly, and a lot of fun to be around. Recently he decided to he had to see what he could do if he really committed. Seems like the answer is "quite a lot".

It always seemed he was wasting his talent. I'd be much more surprised if he is doping than I am by his time. Doesn't prove anything but you might want to give a guy the benefit of the doubt.

"you might want to give a guy the benefit of the doubt"

No one gets that on LR, NO ONE!!!

With good reason, past experiences has turned us in to hardened grizzled cynical doubters of the worst kind.

Any Letsrun users with valid viewpoints wrote:

EPO

Amazing how many posts I had to read before finding some about cheating. Yet, if this were an unknown African or Eastern European everyone would have their minds made up.

And the boy scouts are content to know that L-carnitine users are on the way to being served justice but ‘know’ this guy or Shalane Flanagan are clean because of some flawless, mystical sense of right and wrong they possess.

Funny times.

Like it or not there is a much bigger motive for east Africans to cheat and it doesn't help that it is part of the culture there.

Hofbauer addresses training, sponsorship, this result, and future plans here:

https://trevorhofbauer.com/2019/10/22/keep-showing-up/

Mopac wrote:

Re the new shoes. Would it be possible they would benefit a big guy like this more than the little runners. The science of them is ay beyond me but the impact force of a 78kg guy would be huge in comparison to a 50-55kg guy.

Of course that wouldn't explain all the improvement but if the shoes are typically worth say 90 secs but aid a big guy even more...

I wouldn't be surprised. I am not as near as big nor near as fast as Trevor, but as a master running 16:xx for 5K at 160 lb 15 years ago, with most of my competitors being 15-25 lbs lighter, I used to train in a pair of those heavy honkin' spring shoes that were a novelty item. They weighed a pound+ each, but man if it didn't feel awesome to bound along with what felt an extra 12" per stride!

the time is extremely weird. the marathon is extremely weird recently.

there are always indicators that indicate a good time to come.

he had a 104 half on his resume, but only ran 5 min per mile pace for 10k best.

another dude, with little resume ran sub 13 min 5k, which makes no sense what so ever.

something is really amis here. there is no logical pattern to it.

bekele 201, cheater fly 201, no name 209, no name woman 214, etc.

maybe i got to lace them up and set a PR decades after hanging them up, with no training.

insane.

sorry cheaterfly 159 of course.

i'm one of the guys that said 10 years ago that sub 2 hours is definitely possible, given a prime bekele and geb, and a couple of other guys, and to set up the drafting, with bigger guys, to 30k and let the race break out.

however, at the time i said that 200 high was possible much more than breaking 2 hours which requires everything to be perfect. bekele ran 201 but was worth 200 mid on the day. and this guy has to be 800 m worse than in his ultimate prime.

and they set it up, the program outlined so many years and got the 159, but the guy could have done close to 158 high, which does not compute into any equation or logic i am accustom to.

amazing or madness?

if they do full on PEDs, and the shoes, we're talking many guys running 201 and 202, with the WR under the 2 hour mark real soon.

really the writing was on the wall when steve jones ran the half in 101, in suboptimal fashion. way back in the day.

its a new era completely.

i may have to tune out.

Calgary guy wrote:

Trevor has always been fast, he just didn't believe he could be a pro and never dedicated 100% from what I saw. I don't know him well but have met him. Super friendly, and a lot of fun to be around. Recently he decided to he had to see what he could do if he really committed. Seems like the answer is "quite a lot".

It always seemed he was wasting his talent. I'd be much more surprised if he is doping than I am by his time. Doesn't prove anything but you might want to give a guy the benefit of the doubt.

well if the guy ran 216 without doing the full meal deal training then the result makes sense.

if you are in buildup and get beaten in 10k a month or two out, that means little.

i hope it's true that he ran in wall mart discount shoes,

that would be nice, to blow some holes in the high tech shoe theories, which have to be partly true, if way overblown.

Finally people are realizing that 2:10 is no great run.

Its not even the 4 minute mile barrier in marathon. That should be about 2:08

No male with any interest should be running slower than 2:12

Strap on your man parts and get to work. Clear your minds.

As my wonderful Brother said. "Free your mind and your ass will follow"

Trevor trains in my home town Calgary and I see him around the track and at XC races from time to time. He went to my school, SAIT, and was a mediocre collegiate athlete by all accounts from my friends who knew and trained with him (27:14 for 8k XC 2012). As a note, I would agree that SAIT is the equivalent of JUCO with many coming here for construction and trades as well as other 2 year programs. A decent amount of athletes stick it out for 4 year programs.

He started having success at the half marathon a few years after he finished school and ran 64:30 for the half in 2015. In 2017 he debuted and was the top Canadian in the Toronto Marathon in 2:18:06 stopping to high five people right before the finish line.

He went into this race with a 2:16:48 pb from this year in Hamburg. He wears his heart on his sleeve and is an awesome dude. My teammates and I are stunned by what he just accomplished.

crumpetsounds wrote:

Finally people are realizing that 2:10 is no great run.

Its not even the 4 minute mile barrier in marathon. That should be about 2:08

No male with any interest should be running slower than 2:12

Strap on your man parts and get to work. Clear your minds.

As my wonderful Brother said. "Free your mind and your ass will follow"

I take it you never had "any interest" or is your PR sub-2:12

The Iaaf and World masters calculators equate sub-4:00 for a mile with sub-2:15 (men), which is about right: when Bannister ran the first sub-4, Jim Peters ran 2:17.

From what I remember he was disapointed in the 2:16 at Hamburg after getting pretty sick twice during his build.

Say he takes 3 minutes off just being healthy and another 3 with switching to Vapourfly's over New Balance's and it starts to make a bit of sense.

As the 2017 Canadian marathon champ, I assume he was tested a bit. If they are going to test a 2:30+ guy, I'm guessing they will test a 2:16 guy. Canada doesn't have that much depth at the marathon, a 2:15 puts you in the top 5 in Canada most years (4th in 2015 which was last pre olypic year, 4th in 2016, 1st in 2017, 2nd in 2018, etc.).

He also finished 3rd at the 2016 Canadian xc championships. 2nd that year was Luc Bruchet. 4th through 6th were Matt Hughes, Evan Esselink (62’ half in Houston this year), Rory Linkletter. Safe to say Trevor showed the ability to run fast but hadn’t dropped the metric until Sunday.

bruhh wrote:

PrZ wrote:

Not sure what list you’re looking at, but Fauble ran 2:09:09 at Boston and Ward also ran 2:09:25. So no, he didn’t run faster than all Americans this year besides Korir.

bruhhhh ... Boston is a great marathon but not a legal course. Times don't count on the official IAAF lists.

That wasn't his statement. Saying that no Americans ran faster is unequivocally untrue.

Six pages coming up, so what's the conclusion of the totally fair and unbiased LetsRun forum experts when it comes to whether he doped or not:

GUILTY?

or

NOT GUILTY?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClhuRYjci-g

Vaporflys strike again.

YMMV wrote:

top guy 2 wrote:

Speed River group is not the "top guys" in Canada.

Feel free to enlighten us.

We talking just guys or girls too?

Ahmed, Levins, are probably top 2 guys despite Levins having a medicore race. Knight and Flanagan are clearly upcommers. Hofbauer clearly leapfrogged his group.

But DeBues-Stafford is clearly the best Canadian runner M or F