Definitive Post-The Nike % Shoes

The Realsy Dealksy wrote:

Otherwise, it just seems like we have a lot of spouting off without any basis except maybe the inherent Nike bias on the board. By the way, I am fine with that bias, just as long as it isn't what is being used to condemn the shoe. If the shoe is gonna be banned, or ridiculed, it sure would be nice to have it based on science, or at least a collective, real user experience.

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Have you been hibernating in a cave the past 2 years?

lol

Please no more.

OP are you mentally ill or what. Just do a search on the forum.

So has everybody on here already run in them? Did I miss the published study on them? I have tried to find something published and unbiased, but all I can find is a study on the motivrunning website. It was done at the University of Colorado, but it was paid for by, you guessed it, Nike, so that doesn't really do much by way of impartiality.

Everyone on here is screaming that they are cheater shoes, but all I am reading is a bunch of anecdotal evidence, and opinions from armchair and maybe real material science/engineer guys, who all may or may not have ever picked up a pair and actually run in them, and that includes Mr. Hall and Mr. Burfoot. Oh, and lets not forget the name calling (see above).

So that was the reason for my post.

How many have actually run in them?

I'm only asking because I've seen this before. In the early 90's when we went from 1 person having broke 13:00 in the 5000m to hundreds in a matter of a few years, everyone was saying, "Well, the tracks are soooo much faster, and the shoes are soooo much better, and the training has advanced soooo much further, and we all found out later that it was something quite different that fueled that explosion.

So where is the proof? 1:59? 2:14? Gonna need more than that....

Yes, an independent study was done and confimed the 4% figure:

"The Times found that runners in Vaporflys ran 3 to 4 percent faster than similar runners wearing other shoes, and more than 1 percent faster than the next-fastest racing shoe.

We found that the difference was not explained by faster runners choosing to wear the shoes, by runners choosing to wear them in easier races or by runners switching to Vaporflys after running more training miles. Instead, the analysis suggests that, in a race between two marathoners of the same ability, a runner wearing Vaporflys would have a real advantage over a competitor not wearing them."

has anyone used up a pair and cut it open to examine the carbon fiber plate?

is it possible to bait and switch and use a much cheaper material but still sell to mass public at $250?