June Eastwood Update

RunRagged wrote:

neutraled wrote:

First of all, if someone legally changes their name that is their official name and you should "respect their choice".

Second, Rachel McKinnon is a "world champion" just like every cheerleading team in the US seems to be a "national champion". McKinnon raced with some sub-elites one time a few year ago and got absolutely obliterated. Most of the competitions she does on the track result in every finisher on the podium because the participation numbers are so low in amateur masters track cycling. It's a niche (masters) within a niche (track) of a niche sport (cycling). Most serious cyclists have no clue who she is because she is nowhere near the level of actual world champions.

McKinnon is like the 37 year old lady that runs 13.40 in the 100 meters and is deemed "world champion" because she won her age group. Meanwhile the actual World Champion is about 20% faster.

All you have to do is look at McKinnon when she's in a kit to realize she's not going to beat anyone of consequence. Sure she might beat your weekend warrior aunt, but that's about it.

So McKinnon's invasion of women's sports is perfectly fine by you because he selected an obscure, niche sport and he's not beating "anyone of consequence" - just lowly middle-aged women like "your weekend warrior aunt"? Yikes.

And what's with the gratuitous swipes at cheerleaders and "the 37 year old lady that runs"? Such blatant ageism and misogyny stand in sharp contrast to your admonition that when young males like Eastwood demand to be recognized and treated as the opposite sex, we all "should 'respect their choice.' "

In fact, your POV is a perfect example of himpathy, which Urban Dictionary defines as "the disproportionate empathy extended in the direction of men we make too many excuses for" and other sources say is the "phenomenon of reflexively always siding with males over females."

As for the track cyclist some fondly call "Big Ragehell," he happens to be 37 himself. And as you note, the women's "world champion" titles he's won have been specifically for his age bracket. You seem to think this makes his behavior no big deal, since "most serious cyclists have no clue who (McKinnon) is because she is nowhere near the level of actual world champions."

If it's really true that "most serious cyclists" have not gotten wind of McKinnon, they must all be living under rocks without internet access. Because McKinnon has been able to parlay his wins in the women's masters division of a little-known niche sport into worldwide fame - and he's used his high-profile status to set himself up as an expert in sports ethics and policy whose views are broadcast by major media outlets like the BBC and the Washington Post.

What's more, the world's leading sports governing bodies appear willing to take Big Rage's views on men in women's sports quite seriously, even though - as you point out - he has neither the physique nor prowess of an elite world-class athlete. And even though McKinnon's PhD thesis in philosphy was - I kid you not - "On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About."

Most recently, McKinnon says he was one of the select group of world-class athletes invited to Switzerland to advise the International Olympic Committee about its eligibility rules for males who think their adoption of a female "gender identity" give them a "human right" to participate in women's sports.

Also, McKinnon has generated headlines around the world for his supercilious attacks against tennis legend Martina Navratilova. And he's well-known online for saying that he hopes all the non-trans people in the world "die in grease fire," that lesbians need to be schooled to accept "lady dxxk," and that the only acceptable human sexual orientation is pansexuality because anyone unwilling to sleep with a self-identified woman with a penis and balls or with a self-identified man with a vulva and vagina is a sick "genital fetishist" whose sexual tastes are inherently "exclusionary," "transphobic" and "immoral."

McKinnon's own description on his website of his rapid rise in women's masters track cycling shows that since he started proclaiming he's a woman and competing in women's events, he's easily and swiftly managed to turn his status as a big fish in the small pond of masters track cycling into quite the gravy train. Jumping on the transwagon put Big Rage on a fast track to achievements and sponsorships he'd never come close to if he'd "stayed in his lane" and competed against members of his own sex:

"Fast forward to 2014 and a new start in a new country... I used to enjoy biking, so I try spin classes. I fall in love, buy a simple road bike, and start racing a few months later. Soon I'm winning and the process of upgrading my bike begins.

"I'm state champion in my first season, and quickly rise through the ranks of domestic elite racing. But something's wrong: I'll never be light enough to handle the climbs of the professional stage races. I was good at flat courses and criteriums, but my dream of going to the Olympics in (women's) road cycling were over.

"A friend strongly encouraged me to come with her to the track (velodrome). I've always been a sprinter. In a 60 minute criterium, I'd be bored for 58 minutes, up until it was time to get ready for the bunch sprint. Track sprinting is just those 2 minutes of fun that I love! So I'm all in.

"Two full time coaches, travel for training camps, the best equipment sponsors, 15-20hrs/week training, usually training twice/day. 15 months later, I'm a (women's) world champion and looking for more."

BTW, in the run-up to last month's 2019 indoor track cycling world championships in the UK - where he took his second women's gold and set a new women's world record for his age bracket - Big Rage also competed in men's races to get him properly psyched up and in shape to win top place against women at the worlds.

Since then, McKinnon has reaffirmed his plans to compete as a woman in the 2020 Olympics and publicly derided his female competitors as "losers" who don't have what it takes to be "champions." Because these days, the real champions in women's sports are males.

But according to you, this isn't a genuine injustice or legitimate cause for concern because the only people losing out are lowly females like "your weekend warrior aunt" - not "anyone of consequence."

Thanks to such gentlemanly views, the matter of men colonizing and conquering women's sports is all sorted now. How silly some of us were to find it unsporting.

https://www.rachelmckinnon.com/cycling

RunRagged wrote:

messi wrote:

Relevant question - what is the lodging arrangement when Montana Griz are on the road?

Does Juniper get her own room? Does she bunk with head coach Clint May or assistant Maryn Lowry?

The lodging arrangement would be most telling whether Juniper is male or female.

Discus?

In many circles today, simply raising such obvious, common-sense questions would be considered "violence" that proves you're a transphobic, hateful bigot out to deny that trans people exist, deprive them of their human rights and cause them "harm." And it's enough to cause woke scolds on social media to admonish you to "Do better!" and to type "trans women are women" in caps at you dozens of times before blocking you and slating you to be publicly called out as a Nazi and "cancelled."

If you happen to be a woman asking such questions on Facebook, Twitter, reddit or other social media - perhaps because you're worried that your teen daughter might be at risk of impregnation by a "transbian" bunkmate who has elected to keep "her" male genitals as nearly all "transwomen" nowadays do - you'll also be inundated with death and rape threats from young males claiming to be women. Many of whom will come back with such ladylike retorts as, "if you question whether I'm a woman, you can suck my dxxk" and "choke on my girl cxxk." (See the website terfisaslur for "receipts.")

So it's good that you raised these questions on one of the few online forums where discussion of these issues is still allowed.

There's nothing on the U of Montana website about lodging arrangements for trans members of traveling sports teams. It seems dorm rooms, bathrooms and shower facilities at the school are still generally sex-segregated. However, students who wish to do so can opt to live in the "Gender Inclusive Community." This is a floor in Miller Hall set aside to "offer an environment that acknowledges the importance of identity and allows students to live on a floor where room placement and roommate assignments are made regardless of sex or gender identity/expression. The communal bathroom and shower room with individual stalls will be used by all residents of the floor regardless of sex or gender."

For more concrete answers to your questions, I turned to the NCAA document spelling out its transgender policy. Page 21 states:

Facilities Access

1. Changing Areas, Toilets, Showers — Transgender student-athletes should be able to use the locker room, shower, and toilet facilities in accordance with the student’s gender identity. Every locker room should have some private, enclosed changing areas, showers, and toilets for use by any athlete who desires them. When requested by a transgender student-athlete, schools should provide private, separate changing, showering, and toilet facilities for the student’s use, but transgender students should not be required to use separate facilities.

2. Competition at Another School — If a transgender student-athlete requires a particular accommodation to ensure access to appropriate changing, showering, or bathroom facilities, school leaders, athletic directors, and coaches, in consultation with the transgender student-athlete, should notify their counterparts at other schools prior to competitions to ensure that the student has access to facilities that are comfortable and safe. This notification should maintain the student’s confidentiality. Under no circumstances should a student-athlete’s identity as a transgender person be disclosed without the student’s express permission.

3. Hotel Rooms — Transgender student-athletes generally should be assigned to share hotel rooms based on their gender identity, with a recognition that any student who needs extra privacy should be accommodated whenever possible.

Note that in #2, the only student to be consulted is the trans one; and disclosing that a trans student will be in the opposite-sex locker room to the other students using that locker room is expressly prohibited.

This is typical of "trans inclusive" policies in many schools these days: girls and women (and their parents in the case of HS and elementary schools) are not to be informed ahead of time that a male who identifies as female will be using the girls' or women's loos, locker rooms, showers or sleeping quarters. Similarly, boys and men (and parents) are not to be given advance notice that a female who identifies as a male will be using facilities meant for boys and men.

Significantly, the NCAA published its "Transgender Handbook" in 2011, five years before the Obama administration sent out its infamous 2016 "advisory letter" to educational institutions throughout the US, dictating that all schools must now "treat a student’s gender identity as the student’s sex for purposes of Title IX and its implementing regulations."

Following Obama's executive decree rewriting and gutting Title IX, more robust "trans inclusive" policies were put in place by school administrators across the US. Most of the newer policies are stricter than the NCAA policy written in 2011. For example, the part in #3 where it says that trans students "generally" should be assigned hotel rooms based on their gender identity rather than their sex is inconsistent with the Obama diktat, which has been widely taken to mean that the word "generally" must be changed to "always" or struck out entirely.

Many of the "trans inclusive" policies in place in schools as well as in other public institutions and private businesses today say that anyone who has a problem with trans-identified persons using amenities and accommodations meant for the opposite sex should themselves be given the option of using separate facilities, sent for training to be educated about the new ethos of "inclusivity," and/or simply told that if they can't get with the new program then they can haul their bigoted, phobic butts out of there and go home.

But in school settings, most affected students who object are afraid to say so because they know they'll be shamed and denounced for resisting "progress" and not putting the needs, wishes and demands of trans people and especially transwomen like Eastwood first.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

Brainwashed alert wrote:

butchl wrote:

Black lesbian D2 runner here.

F*ck men who think they should compete with women.

Do you really think that any of Jonathan's team members are going to speak out? They are under huge pressure to shut up, and they are benefiting from this situation. Only the girl who lost her scholarship and got cut from the team thanks to this mediocre dude might be inclined to speak up.

Concerning the runners on the other team. The Latina runner who won against a sand-bagging Big Jon made some obvious signs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H49HkyItOrg&feature=youtu.be&t=144

You’ve been indoctrinated by the right, as made obvious by your conspiracy theory about a Latina runner flashing a white power hand signal.

Take off the tinfoil hat and realize that this is a simple issue: let the athlete identify as they as are and that is the classification in which they compete. Done.

butchl wrote:

D3 varsity wrote:

Female D3 runner here.

This is what I have noticed about this debate:

# of female runners on June’s team that think she shouldn’t run: 0

# of female runners on other teams that think she shouldn’t run: 0

# of coaches of other teams that think she shouldn’t run: 0

# of old white guys that think she shouldn’t run and who probably feel funny about being attracted to her: like a couple 100

Can you all just shut up and realize that there are some situations where your opinion is not worthwhile. This is one of those instances.

Black lesbian D2 runner here.

F*ck men who think they should compete with women.

Do you really think that any of Jonathan's team members are going to speak out? They are under huge pressure to shut up, and they are benefiting from this situation. Only the girl who lost her scholarship and got cut from the team thanks to this mediocre dude might be inclined to speak up.

Concerning the runners on the other team. The Latina runner who won against a sand-bagging Big Jon made some obvious signs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H49HkyItOrg&feature=youtu.be&t=144