The UM Athletics Department have to go along with NCAA rules. They have no choice in the matter. They will be sued otherwise. This is an NCAA matter, not UM's.
The UM Athletics Department have to go along with NCAA rules. They have no choice in the matter. They will be sued otherwise. This is an NCAA matter, not UM's.
Someone changes their sex but wasn't born female.
A new transgender category for the NCAA is the way to go.
saveourgirls wrote:
RunRagged wrote:
In many circles today, simply raising such obvious, common-sense questions would be considered "violence" that proves you're a transphobic, hateful bigot out to deny that trans people exist, deprive them of their human rights and cause them "harm." And it's enough to cause woke scolds on social media to admonish you to "Do better!" and to type "trans women are women" in caps at you dozens of times before blocking you and slating you to be publicly called out as a Nazi and "cancelled."
If you happen to be a woman asking such questions on Facebook, Twitter, reddit or other social media - perhaps because you're worried that your teen daughter might be at risk of impregnation by a "transbian" bunkmate who has elected to keep "her" male genitals as nearly all "transwomen" nowadays do - you'll also be inundated with death and rape threats from young males claiming to be women. Many of whom will come back with such ladylike retorts as, "if you question whether I'm a woman, you can suck my dxxk" and "choke on my girl cxxk." (See the website terfisaslur for "receipts.")
So it's good that you raised these questions on one of the few online forums where discussion of these issues is still allowed.
There's nothing on the U of Montana website about lodging arrangements for trans members of traveling sports teams. It seems dorm rooms, bathrooms and shower facilities at the school are still generally sex-segregated. However, students who wish to do so can opt to live in the "Gender Inclusive Community." This is a floor in Miller Hall set aside to "offer an environment that acknowledges the importance of identity and allows students to live on a floor where room placement and roommate assignments are made regardless of sex or gender identity/expression. The communal bathroom and shower room with individual stalls will be used by all residents of the floor regardless of sex or gender."
For more concrete answers to your questions, I turned to the NCAA document spelling out its transgender policy. Page 21 states:
Facilities Access
1. Changing Areas, Toilets, Showers — Transgender student-athletes should be able to use the locker room, shower, and toilet facilities in accordance with the student’s gender identity. Every locker room should have some private, enclosed changing areas, showers, and toilets for use by any athlete who desires them. When requested by a transgender student-athlete, schools should provide private, separate changing, showering, and toilet facilities for the student’s use, but transgender students should not be required to use separate facilities.
2. Competition at Another School — If a transgender student-athlete requires a particular accommodation to ensure access to appropriate changing, showering, or bathroom facilities, school leaders, athletic directors, and coaches, in consultation with the transgender student-athlete, should notify their counterparts at other schools prior to competitions to ensure that the student has access to facilities that are comfortable and safe. This notification should maintain the student’s confidentiality. Under no circumstances should a student-athlete’s identity as a transgender person be disclosed without the student’s express permission.
3. Hotel Rooms — Transgender student-athletes generally should be assigned to share hotel rooms based on their gender identity, with a recognition that any student who needs extra privacy should be accommodated whenever possible.
Note that in #2, the only student to be consulted is the trans one; and disclosing that a trans student will be in the opposite-sex locker room to the other students using that locker room is expressly prohibited.
This is typical of "trans inclusive" policies in many schools these days: girls and women (and their parents in the case of HS and elementary schools) are not to be informed ahead of time that a male who identifies as female will be using the girls' or women's loos, locker rooms, showers or sleeping quarters. Similarly, boys and men (and parents) are not to be given advance notice that a female who identifies as a male will be using facilities meant for boys and men.
Significantly, the NCAA published its "Transgender Handbook" in 2011, five years before the Obama administration sent out its infamous 2016 "advisory letter" to educational institutions throughout the US, dictating that all schools must now "treat a student’s gender identity as the student’s sex for purposes of Title IX and its implementing regulations."
Following Obama's executive decree rewriting and gutting Title IX, more robust "trans inclusive" policies were put in place by school administrators across the US. Most of the newer policies are stricter than the NCAA policy written in 2011. For example, the part in #3 where it says that trans students "generally" should be assigned hotel rooms based on their gender identity rather than their sex is inconsistent with the Obama diktat, which has been widely taken to mean that the word "generally" must be changed to "always" or struck out entirely.
Many of the "trans inclusive" policies in place in schools as well as in other public institutions and private businesses today say that anyone who has a problem with trans-identified persons using amenities and accommodations meant for the opposite sex should themselves be given the option of using separate facilities, sent for training to be educated about the new ethos of "inclusivity," and/or simply told that if they can't get with the new program then they can haul their bigoted, phobic butts out of there and go home.
But in school settings, most affected students who object are afraid to say so because they know they'll be shamed and denounced for resisting "progress" and not putting the needs, wishes and demands of trans people and especially transwomen like Eastwood first.
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdfThank you for taking the time to research this.
Thank God that LetsRun is indeed of the last places on the internet where we can discuss this subject in some freedom.
If I understand this correctly, these policies give Jonathan the power not only to force female athletes to shower with him, but also to sleep with him in the same room.
That's absolutely horrifying.
It's already well known that there are a disproportionate amount of sexual predators among transgenders, this opens so many possibilities for them to abuse young girls.
This all reminds me of the 70's, when liberals tried to normalize pedophilia:
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378
June is not a psycho. If I was her I would have no interest in showering with my teammates and I doubt if she does either. If she shared a room and did something lewd, her roommate would report it and June would be kicked off the team. If her teammates are uncomfortable sharing a room, the school would pay for a separate room. June isn't going to read some rule to the coach to force him to give her a roommate.
messi wrote:
Relevant question - what is the lodging arrangement when Montana Griz are on the road?
Does Juniper get her own room? Does she bunk with head coach Clint May or assistant Maryn Lowry?
The lodging arrangement would be most telling whether Juniper is male or female.
Discus?
How is this even a question? She’s a female on the women’s team so she gets a room with another female on the women’s team.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
messi wrote:
Relevant question - what is the lodging arrangement when Montana Griz are on the road?
Does Juniper get her own room? Does she bunk with head coach Clint May or assistant Maryn Lowry?
The lodging arrangement would be most telling whether Juniper is male or female.
Discus?
How is this even a question? She’s a female on the women’s team so she gets a room with another female on the women’s team.
He's not a woman. No amount of mental gymnastics from the Left will ever make this delusion come true.
alea iacta est wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
How is this even a question? She’s a female on the women’s team so she gets a room with another female on the women’s team.
He's not a woman. No amount of mental gymnastics from the Left will ever make this delusion come true.
Ummm. She has run multiple races on the women’s team. She’s a girl.
If you think it’s mental gymnastics to realize that the runners on the women’s team are women, then you clearly don’t understand the mind or gymnastics or metaphors.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
I believe it.
https://onenewsnow.com/sports/2019/11/08/trans-athlete-accused-of-dogging-it-to-avoid-negative-publicity
The very first sentence of the article is incorrect. June did not run as a guy "just last year".
Greg wrote:
Whoever posted this is less than sh*t and they know it.
They should go smear their face in sh*t for their own good before someone else does it for them.
Gosh, Greg. You are a very angry young man.
The Real Film Rep wrote:
Greg wrote:
Whoever posted this is less than sh*t and they know it.
They should go smear their face in sh*t for their own good before someone else does it for them.
Gosh, Greg. You are a very angry young man.
Not at all. Look at the pattern of behavior on this site.
Someone is on me like a hawk at times.
I tell it like I see it.
They deserve it and I enjoy insulting them back.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
I believe it.
https://onenewsnow.com/sports/2019/11/08/trans-athlete-accused-of-dogging-it-to-avoid-negative-publicityThe very first sentence of the article is incorrect. June did not run as a guy "just last year".
Who is paying you to spread fake news? Jonathan did run in 2018 as a man.
The article is pretty interesting by the way. Some speculation that Jonathan might try to qualify for the Olympics.
frixl wrote:
Who is paying you to spread fake news? Jonathan did run in 2018 as a man.
The article is pretty interesting by the way. Some speculation that Jonathan might try to qualify for the Olympics.
*June.... I have no problem calling people by whatever name they want to be called. You can respect that at the least even if you don't think June is a woman. Some of you transphobes go overboard to the point of absurdity! there's no harm in calling them by their changed name.
frixl wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
The very first sentence of the article is incorrect. June did not run as a guy "just last year".
Who is paying you to spread fake news? Jonathan did run in 2018 as a man.
The article is pretty interesting by the way. Some speculation that Jonathan might try to qualify for the Olympics.
No, she didn't compete last year because she had to complete 12 months of hormone treatments. She ran during 2017/2018 and skipped 2018/2019. In other words, she ran her first three as Jonathon, completed her 12 months of hormone therapy and is now a 5th year senior.
There has been a lot of speculation on LR that June is sandbagging so the guy in the article talking about June aiming for the Olympics doesn't bring anything new to the discussion. He seems to believe that the effects of hormone treatments will slow down June by less than 10 seconds over 1500.
An opinion article from OneNewsNow, which if it went any further right would be calling for its readers to bomb abortion clinics, kill Mexicans and Muslims, etc.? Man, do people end up with weird bedfellows when one of their pet hates align :)
I don’t know, dudes. June is dogging it to avoid negative attention, since placing second in that race and everything else she has done has only gotten her 15 pages on this thread (and at least two other additional threads)? Winning might have gotten her to 16 pages by now!
And she’s trying to avoid attention but will try to make the Olympic team? I suppose that makes sense, no one cares about the Olympics as compared to a regular season XC race among mid-majors!
SDSU Aztec wrote:
frixl wrote:
Who is paying you to spread fake news? Jonathan did run in 2018 as a man.
The article is pretty interesting by the way. Some speculation that Jonathan might try to qualify for the Olympics.
No, she didn't compete last year because she had to complete 12 months of hormone treatments. She ran during 2017/2018 and skipped 2018/2019. In other words, she ran her first three as Jonathon, completed her 12 months of hormone therapy and is now a 5th year senior.
There has been a lot of speculation on LR that June is sandbagging so the guy in the article talking about June aiming for the Olympics doesn't bring anything new to the discussion. He seems to believe that the effects of hormone treatments will slow down June by less than 10 seconds over 1500.
Jonathan ran 3:53 in May 2018. That's last year.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
frixl wrote:
Who is paying you to spread fake news? Jonathan did run in 2018 as a man.
The article is pretty interesting by the way. Some speculation that Jonathan might try to qualify for the Olympics.
*June.... I have no problem calling people by whatever name they want to be called. You can respect that at the least even if you don't think June is a woman. Some of you transphobes go overboard to the point of absurdity! there's no harm in calling them by their changed name.
*Jonathan. That's his official name. The name his parents gave to him. Let's respect their choice.
I'm a nice person, so in general I will call transgenders by their preferred name. However, I will only do this if the transgender is nice too.
I have two conditions:
- the transgender is not hurting other people
- I don't have to pay for his/her fantasies
Jonathan is hurting girls by stealing their scholarships, their awards, their medals... So there is no way I will give in to his demands. I don't know if he has planned any medically unnecessary surgeries for which the taxpayer has to bear the costs.
The moment Jonathan stops destroying girls' dreams , I will consider calling him June, Juniper or whatever other name he will invent.
You should read this article, the author explains it very well:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/rachel-mckinnon-is-a-cheat-and-a-bully/Rachel McKinnon — the so-called defending “world champion” of women’s track cycling — is a man. I’ll repeat that so my meaning cannot be misconstrued. He is a man.
Maybe my kind-hearted reader is offended by this blunt phrasing. Why am I calling McKinnon a man — when, perhaps for complicated reasons, he would rather be called a woman? Why don’t I compromise and call him a “trans woman,” as others do? Or be polite and address him by “she/her” pronouns, like everyone else in the media?
Well, I’ll tell you why, since you asked. This is precisely the well-meant, tragically naïve logic that has enabled a structure of lies and tyranny to be erected around us, a structure that most cannot opt out of without incurring an enormous social cost. It is a structure in which cheating and viciousness are rewarded while civility and truth-telling are punished. Rachel McKinnon is the perfect example of how this structure works and operates, as well as why we should resist it.
As it happens, I do not have an ideological commitment to gender terminology or pronouns one way or another. For struggling, respectful souls, I’m happy to lend special courtesies (in fact, I frequently do). But for cheats and liars, for bullies and tyrants, for those who seek to use my words to propagate deceit and injustice? Oh, just drop it, sir — I’ll never call you “ma’am.”
Greg wrote:
Someone changes their sex but wasn't born female.
A new transgender category for the NCAA is the way to go.
June should be lobbying for this. A slam-dunk NCAA title without any negative pushback and only accolades for being a pioneer.
YMMV wrote:
Greg wrote:
Someone changes their sex but wasn't born female.
A new transgender category for the NCAA is the way to go.
June should be lobbying for this. A slam-dunk NCAA title without any negative pushback and only accolades for being a pioneer.
Yes, she probably would medal in all events from the 100m to the 10000m, including hurdles and steeple.
RunRagged, I also want to thank you for going to the trouble of researching and posting the NCAA rules on this.
Not looking good for traditional females, as they have little say in this.
Anyone who says there should be a separate category for transgenders at track meets (actually that would require 2 separate categories). So 4 categories of 100 meters X 7 heats. You follow my drift? Don't volunteer (read - unpaid) officials spend enough time at track meets already?
WRONG... You can get your name LEGALLY changed through the court system. First name included.
XXrnr wrote:
*Jonathan. That's his official name. The name his parents gave to him. Let's respect their choice.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year