Ryan Hall speaks out against Kipchoge and shoes

How about Jared Ward's 2:09:25 PB at DOWNHILL Boston? Or any PB recorded at Boston, regardless of tailwinds?

Cardinal shortcoming wrote:

Irregardless

I thought he went to Stanford?

I've worked with and around American Ivy Leaguers and let's just say that if I had kids, I'd send them to much cheaper schools.

Ryan Hall is a lame ass white boy who needs to STFU.

Dude: even with PEDs, and those special shoes, you could not run as fast as the East Africans.

So go snow boarding or go play hockey . . . or whatever crap you people are good at. Like drinking beer and collecting welfare.

UA Runner wrote:

JohnnyS wrote:

Surely could have gone 1:58

I think so too. However, even with the fast last kilometer, he ran a positive split of about 30 seconds. That could have been due to pacing and hot him slowing down to fatigue.

He didn’t positive split. He remained ~10 second under 2 hour pace +/- a few seconds the entire time until he sprinted the last 500m or so.

IllinoisPhotographer wrote:

softbaked wrote:

I think the new shoe goes too far. One the most ludicrous women's world records has been DESTORYED in [because of] these shoes. Cyclists today can rival the times of Lance and Pantani because of advancements in bike tech. This is great but there are still strict rules in place regarding weight and shape of components that prevent clown bikes. As far as I'm concerned these new Nike shoes are clown shoes. A line has to be drawn somewhere. A maximum of one carbon plate would be a logical stopping point.

The womens winner at Chicago was wearing standard Vaporfly Next%

Are you sure? I remember reading a quote from her saying Nike wanted her to wear the next% but she said "gimme that Kipchoge goodness". At last I think I read that.

All I can find now is an article mentioning she wore a prototype.

For all those saying that this is hypocritical because Sara wore the Asics prototype.

The Asics prototype does not have a carbon plate. Same as the metaride and glideride that do not have a carbon plate.

UA Runner wrote:

I will say--a lot of haters are coming out against Ryan Hall. He's up to 500 replies on his FB page over this already. You'd think there would be more respect for one of the USA's fastest runners. .

I think he lost all that respect when he started being coached by god.

Respect Ryan Hall but while he is entitled to an opinion how much better the shoes may or may not make somebody, he is simply wrong when he says these shoes are basically springs because they aren't - not even close. It is still a shoe just a hyper efficient and economical shoe.

Bigger issue in the sport with respect to efficiency/economy benefits in running are PEDS and things like the Oregon Project. And that's a fact.

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:

Respect Ryan Hall but while he is entitled to an opinion how much better the shoes may or may not make somebody, he is simply wrong when he says these shoes are basically springs because they aren't - not even close. It is still a shoe just a hyper efficient and economical shoe.

Bigger issue in the sport with respect to efficiency/economy benefits in running are PEDS and things like the Oregon Project. And that's a fact.

+1

Impertinence knows no bounds: the new asics prototype for Tokyo also has carbon fibre- i.e. the very ones his wife donned in Berlin for a significant PB. Best not to ever throw stones.

No carbon plate wrote:

For all those saying that this is hypocritical because Sara wore the Asics prototype.

The Asics prototype does not have a carbon plate. Same as the metaride and glideride that do not have a carbon plate.

Faaaaalse.

Let me translate for everyone.

Ryan Hall: "I am sponsored by ASICS. Nike makes better shoes than we do. I need to help my company get athletes as most pros are either doing NIKE or going un-sponsored so they can run in Vaporflys. Let me repeat, ASICS has fallen way behind NIKE."

Taro wrote:

Cardinal shortcoming wrote:

Irregardless

I thought he went to Stanford?

Not to mention this baffling logic: " . . . and a clear mechanical advantage to anyone not in those shoes."

He did go to Stanford, but he's also a raving evangelical who wears his christian virtue on his sleeve.

?judgemental often?

It sho do wrote:

No carbon plate wrote:

For all those saying that this is hypocritical because Sara wore the Asics prototype.

The Asics prototype does not have a carbon plate. Same as the metaride and glideride that do not have a carbon plate.

Faaaaalse.

https://instagram.com/p/B3vo-uPHZqP/

I agree.

If you remove the padded panding behind the high jump and pole vault, the records wd be much lower. Better shoes protect athletes feet better, limit in race injury and after race long term effects. If there is a better shoe out there, let people wear it. Are others banned from using it? Just make the shoe available to those who can afford it.

No carbon plate wrote:

For all those saying that this is hypocritical because Sara wore the Asics prototype.

The Asics prototype does not have a carbon plate. Same as the metaride and glideride that do not have a carbon plate.

Asics Metaracer WITH carbon plate in Sara's Berlin shoes. Fact.

Asics Metaracer WITH carbon plate in Frodeno's Ironman course recurs. Fact.

Asics Metaracer WITH carbon plate in Emma Bates fir 4th place, fastest time, and top American at Chicago. Fact.

With all due respect to @ryanhall3 as he was clearly the greatest U.S. marathoner for a few years regardless of the course he ran, when a running club puts on a race with a 20 mph tailwind, it is no longer a road race, it’s a wind tunnel, and a clear mechanical advantage to anyone running that race. I’m just hoping @iaaf_athletics makes sure the upcoming Olympics and @wmmajors are fair playing fields for athletes of all brands.

Zlatan wrote:

IllinoisPhotographer wrote:

The womens winner at Chicago was wearing standard Vaporfly Next%

Are you sure? I remember reading a quote from her saying Nike wanted her to wear the next% but she said "gimme that Kipchoge goodness". At last I think I read that.

All I can find now is an article mentioning she wore a prototype.

The article is wrong.

Photo proof here. Standard next %.

Know what you're talking about. wrote:

No carbon plate wrote:

For all those saying that this is hypocritical because Sara wore the Asics prototype.

The Asics prototype does not have a carbon plate. Same as the metaride and glideride that do not have a carbon plate.

Asics Metaracer WITH carbon plate in Sara's Berlin shoes. Fact.

Asics Metaracer WITH carbon plate in Frodeno's Ironman course recurs. Fact.

Asics Metaracer WITH carbon plate in Emma Bates fir 4th place, fastest time, and top American at Chicago. Fact.

Having actually seen the shoes in person, it is not a carbon plate. It is a very stiff plastic. The shoe is super stiff, but if you bend the shoe it doesn't spring back like a Vaporfly does.

Is the plate exposed? How can you tell it's not CF? So they are choosing to avoid CF. This means their CF replacement must be superior otherwise they would just use CF.

BAN THE METARACER!