Maybe some existing records were made with cheating. But what if there was a separate category where it was allowed and humans were really testing their limits. What would the world records be with steroids and EPO? Sub-26 for 10k? 1:39 for 800?
Maybe some existing records were made with cheating. But what if there was a separate category where it was allowed and humans were really testing their limits. What would the world records be with steroids and EPO? Sub-26 for 10k? 1:39 for 800?
no.theyd be exactly the same as they are,now.thered be no difference whatsoever.
What do you mean, IF doping was allowed? It already is.
100m 9.45
200m 18.9
400m 42.7
800m 1:39.5
1500m 3:25.5
5000m 12:25
10000m 26:05
Marathon 1:57.00
Womens: About the same as today
let H. try women's WR from 1500 to HM and you can get an idea.
Exactly the same as now, except the Western countries would do better in distance events.
KnowerOfThings wrote:
100m 9.45
200m 18.9
400m 42.7
800m 1:39.5
1500m 3:25.5
5000m 12:25
10000m 26:05
Marathon 1:57.00
Womens: About the same as today
How'd you come up with these? How did you calculate or estimate the effects of the dope?
If? The only IF is...
If you ain’t doping you ain’t winning.
jeff tallon wrote:
no.theyd be exactly the same as they are,now.thered be no difference whatsoever.
Right now, people have to mask the doping they are doing and keep it under certain restricted levels. However, if testosterone was unlimited or EPO could be used until the blood was peanut butter, etc. there would be a certain number of athletes who would drop dead "inexplicably" like the bikers of the 90s. But likely the max gain point would be found and there would be slight improvements on the currently doped WRs.
unpopular opinions wrote:
KnowerOfThings wrote:
100m 9.45
200m 18.9
400m 42.7
800m 1:39.5
1500m 3:25.5
5000m 12:25
10000m 26:05
Marathon 1:57.00
Womens: About the same as today
How'd you come up with these? How did you calculate or estimate the effects of the dope?
For 100 and 200 steriods make a quite big difference so I took Bolts effort and guessed the potential effect from steriod use. For the 400 and 800 neither epo nor steriods have huge effects, steriods will make you to heavy and the events are to short for epo to be truly good so I took the current times and improved them a little, slightly more in the 800 since some 800 runners have been found guilty of epo usage so it must have some effect.
For the 1500 I actually think El guerrouj was dirty but he also had extraordinary talent and I dont think you can improve much more. For the 5k, 10k and marathon this is where epo really starts to shine so I took todays top times of approximately 12:45 and 2:02 that people can run whilst being tested and made guesses based on how fast people ran during the epo era.
100m: Same
200m: Same
1000m: Same
3000m: Same
3000mSC: Same
jeff tallon wrote:
no.theyd be exactly the same as they are,now.thered be no difference whatsoever.
That's just plain silly. Why were all the men's track records from 1500 to 1000m set in the brief period of the full throttle era (and even the 800m only improved by 1/10th of a second by perhaps the greatest 800m runner Rudisha)?
The EPO they use now is even better than what the full throttle guys used, but they can't use it to the same extent (and when they do, like Ramzi did, they get caught).
What would the world records be if doping was allowed?
But doping IS allowed. Mechanical doping, that is. Makes a much bigger difference than chemical doping, as we all witnessed last weekend.
lots of people making jokes that they would be the same, but i think it'd at least be a little faster if an athlete has no restrictions and can be on the best drugs 24/7 without worrying about failing a test
I-Run-E wrote:
What do you mean, IF doping was allowed? It already is.
They would definitely be way faster. Without fear of positive tests guys could dope themselves to death. Some would undoubtedly die, see cycling in the 90s. Performance would also improve. Micro dosing and timing your doping is not as effective as no holds barred doping .
unpopular opinions wrote:
Maybe some existing records were made with cheating. But what if there was a separate category where it was allowed and humans were really testing their limits. What would the world records be with steroids and EPO? Sub-26 for 10k? 1:39 for 800?
Exactly, that’s the only way to think; then it would make sense to say all of these records are juicy.
100m 9.45
200m 19.00
400m 42.0
800m 1:38.5
1500m 3:24
mile 3:39
3000m 7:10
3000m steeple 7:35
5000m 12:25
10000m 25:30
half marathon 56:00
marathon 1:57:00
800 - under 1.36
They'd be awesome. The men's spring records I'm not sure would change at all.
unpopular opinions wrote:
Maybe some existing records were made with cheating. But what if there was a separate category where it was allowed and humans were really testing their limits. What would the world records be with steroids and EPO? Sub-26 for 10k? 1:39 for 800?
and glandular PEDs, and steroids for joints, and performance peptides, and monitoring of recovery and adaptation, and better chiro/massage, and optimized personalized diet, and proper electrolyte soup (not done), and only slightly better training methods.
plus better athletes, (from football), like a garth bale,
the records would not resemble anything you know.
the human would be a different kind of animal, probably more closely approximate how a natural super fit well fed
native human would be.
versus the weak and toxic person we have today, which are on the anti PED program, and anti athletic diet, which is designed to get you as far away from a handsome human form - and mentally sharp - human - as possible.
the standard western diet and behavior pattern could not be any worse, it you had a team of PhDs work on it.
such is the nature of this very very strange time.
where near billionaire athletes, bouncing an orange ball, back a political process of poverty,
an asteroid somewhere is steaming toward earth with our name on it.
the name of the asteroid, be karma.
enjoy it while it lasts